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| Fauch 17:40, 1 October 2007 (EDT)
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| I also thought it is small, but the other guy says medium, so when I saw this I wasn't sure if it was a pretty big small level or a pretty small medium level...
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| ILHI 11:53, 28 September 2007 (EDT)
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| Mall isn't that big is it, from memory, it was rather small with a little street on the side and an area on the second floor. Small if you ask me.
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| Fauch 21:10, 27 September 2007 (EDT)
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| At the beginning of the level, if you look up, you can see a little bit of blue.
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| ILHI 14:45, 27 September 2007 (EDT)
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| I didn't even know you could see the sky on Cyberden.
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| Fauch 14:27, 27 September 2007 (EDT)
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| I'm editing the maps section, it misses informations a bit and you are wrong about some things.
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| Drifting 15:59, 25 September 2007 (EDT)
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| Fine, we'll disregard weapons then. As for the allies thing, I think we've got a good system already. Just changing it to bots would be confusing because you wouldn't be able to differentiate between allies and enemies.
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| ILHI 10:07, 25 September 2007 (EDT)
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| Noticed the weapons thing, although we'd have to spend time checking where each 5/6 weapons spawn and match them up with the places the weapons spawn on the map. Not much a point anyway, the strategy is what people follow and that should mention all weapons needed anyway.
An allies section would help for Arcade League, that's the only think I would consider changing. Or we could just chane "enemies" to "bots" on the template.
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| Drifting 16:56, 24 September 2007 (EDT)
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| Heavythehobbit: Please don't spam in TS Chat.
I was looking through the Arcade League pages and I realized I didn't add a category for weapons in the Infobox for either Arcade League or Challenge. Anyway, I could go back and edit the Infoboxes to include this category, but that would mean we'd have to go back and edit all existing Infoboxes to include the new category. I could also add a spot for Allies and anything else I forgot if I were to do that. Anyway, what do you all think?
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| ILHI 12:39, 19 September 2007 (EDT)
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| Oh yes, they do lack correct info. I think someone went around the pages and input a number from 1 - 5. In TS2 Cortez is a 5 star. So someone went and put 5 star on the other Cortez attires. He's 4 star in Future Perfect though. And I've had to change nearly every AI on Future Perfect so far if it was entered already.
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| Drifting 16:01, 18 September 2007 (EDT)
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| I don't know, perhaps we could focus our efforts on something? Like completing the Weapons section? There's only a few TS1 weapons that still need pages. Or we could focus on improving the character pages, since many of those lack info (or correct info).
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| ILHI 09:52, 18 September 2007 (EDT)
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| Well, actually, I edit quite a bit. Although it's usually adding the "Improvement Badge" and "Need Info" banners. I'm lazy.
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| Xylaquin 02:47, 18 September 2007 (EDT)
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| Any reason other than simple laziness? I can't think of any others.
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| Drifting 17:20, 17 September 2007 (EDT)
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| We seem to have come to a bit of a stand-still, both in terms of our chatting and our editing. :(
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| Koopa64 18:30, 28 August 2007 (EDT)
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| Oh, so Reviews are a bad idea? Well, I just thought it would be a good idea, if you guys think they aren't important to the Wiki, no harm done. :)
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| Drifting 15:35, 28 August 2007 (EDT)
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| Reviews are entirely opinion, and they really have no place on a Wiki. I'm not saying your review's bad at all, but it'd be more suited to your personal web site than to the Wiki. It'd be akin to adding a review of a famous book in Encyclopedia Brittanica - it doesn't really add anything, because personal opinions are all debatable. I realize this Wiki doesn't adhere too much to Wikipedia's NPOV (Neutral Point of View) policy, and that's fine (personally, it's actually better the way it is lol), but reviews are just too much opinion and not enough unbiased fact to merit having here. Sorry.
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| Xylaquin 11:13, 28 August 2007 (EDT)
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| I'm going to be rather harsh and say I don't think it's a good idea. The reason behind this new responce is because I just sat and thought what a review is: an opinion of how good a game is. And the problem is the keyword: opinion. It's okay to state what the community thinks of something (ie. "Many fans prefer TS2's challenge mode over TSFP's") but not the writer's personal opinion, because a personal opinion is not as factual as the statistic "Many fans prefer".
Please do not take this critism the wrong way. It's just that if you take away the opinion parts of the review, you're left with an article that basically is the same as this page, and then what's the point in having reviews in the first place?
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| ILHI 07:35, 28 August 2007 (EDT)
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| I like the fact that you reviewed the different aspects.
However
- Goldeneye, never played it, and it is not a TimeSplitters game.
- Never compare a game to its sequels. Why? Most reviews are reviewed soon after the game. When TS4 is released and you write one, you wont say "it didn't match up to the standard of TS5", it doesn't exist.
- The Story was great, didn't match up to TS2 or FP however, but than I couldn't say that.
- Music and Sound, full marks for me. TimeSplitters games have the best soundtracks, only a few Final Fantasy games come close, and most of the time it's only a few tracks. Orchestrated music doesn't belong in TimeSplitters, a Frantic FPS.
- Mentioning of TS2 in Overall
- You say the mapmaker is phenominal and simple-- but not great?
- Never compare to sequels.
Apart from that, it's good.
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| Xylaquin 02:50, 28 August 2007 (EDT)
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| TimeSplitters is a completely different series to Goldeneye. Despite coming after it, TimeSplitters is only related to it in that the 4 founding members of FRD worked on Goldeneye.
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| Koopa64 16:51, 27 August 2007 (EDT)
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| I was kinda hoping the rest of you would help clean that one up and start the other ones. If you think you can make the review better, try editting it yourself, I'm sure you're far better at formal writing than I am... :(
But I have to agree with you, sorry for mentioning Goldeneye so many times, but wasn't TimeSplitters suppose to be another follow-up to Goldeneye? I tried to have some balance between Goldeneye, TimeSplitters itself and it's sequels.
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| Xylaquin 16:36, 27 August 2007 (EDT)
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| To be honest the first few lines are a bit chatty, and throughout the review you keep mentioning Goldeneye (I've really got to play that game for more than 10 minutes). Please do remember that since this is a wiki, your review may be changed here and there. Apart from that, they're alright.
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| Koopa64 15:37, 27 August 2007 (EDT)
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| Please tell me what you think of my TimeSplitters Review, did I do a good job? Is it formal enough? I also did a Reviews page where you can access the reviews easier. :)
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| Xylaquin 02:42, 27 August 2007 (EDT)
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| I would give it a go, but expect it to be changed here and there. Wiki's are more of fact than opinion, and if I were to review TS2 for example I'd compare it to the other TS games rather than other FPS's. But give it a shot!
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| Koopa64 19:07, 26 August 2007 (EDT)
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| Also, guys, if it's not too much trouble, do you guys think adding professional unbiased reviews of the three TS games would be good? I have this Xbox Magazine's Guide to Halo 2 (don't ask me why I have it and PLEASE don't call traitor). Along with everything Halo 2, it had a review of Halo 2 in it and they constantly praised it, ick. Anyway, do you guys think reviews should be part of the Wiki?
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| Koopa64 18:32, 25 August 2007 (EDT)
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| Drifting, I assume Struan's MapMaker is for Windows only? I have a Mac, so I can't use Windows programs. And my Mac is too old to use Virtual PC very well.
But I have to agree with you on one thing, a dedicated MapMaker Wiki would be a good idea, since the MapMaker in TS is very robust and versatile. :)
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| Drifting 10:11, 25 August 2007 (EDT)
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| Koopa: So you're saying that Struan's Mapmaker isn't good enough for your means? As far as the online MapMaking community goes, Struan's program is still pretty much the accepted standard for showing maps to other people online. It's probably the easiest way to share maps, since the program can convert maps into web-ready HTML (Example here).
However, I'm not sure how well the Wiki would be able to display an HTML map. One option is to create your map in Struan's MapMaker, take a screenshot of it and post the pic up onto the Wiki along with map info. At the moment, this is really the only way I can think of, short of sending maps into the TimeSplitters Map Connection or starting your own Mapmaker site independent of the Wiki.
ILHI: MapMaker Wiki is a good idea. The TS Wiki doesn't go very in depth into Mapmaker (at least not yet), so a Wiki dedicated specifically to it is a great idea.
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| ILHI 07:54, 25 August 2007 (EDT)
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| I've lead a lot of links to this site. All I need to do now is add maps, and maybe some navigation stuff. I'm also gonna get pictures and possibly use that program where you can create your maps online. link
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| Xylaquin 05:36, 25 August 2007 (EDT)
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| Koopa: Still, you could use those programs then post the output upon a page upon that link.
ILHI: Tell me if you get it up and running and we'll interlink. :)
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| Koopa64 21:27, 24 August 2007 (EDT)
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| Drifting, that's not what I meant, what I meant was a mapmaking tool of some sort, either offline or online. Kinda like those mapmaking tools that were popular for a time, but became obsolete. Words are not enough to express or to emulate a map, we need a VISUAL aid to show people our maps.
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| ILHI 15:59, 24 August 2007 (EDT)
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| That's not right! I edited loads of pages today, editing one or two figures. Does it have to have a link on the page in stead or something?
On the mapmaker thing. Well, because I wanted to add my maps, but didn't want to spam here, I was gonna create a TimeSplitters Map Maker Wiki. I forgot to do that, I'm gonna do it anyway. Just because I like making maps.
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| Drifting 14:34, 24 August 2007 (EDT)
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| Well, I checked on the Editthis main page about the new anti-spam verification system. Supposedly, it will ask for verification now only when someone is adding a new link (which is why I've kept my username unlinked for this post to test it). I've suggested to the admin that it only ask for verification when a user is posting an external link. We'll see how that works out.
EDIT: It still comes up. How annoying.
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| Drifting 14:22, 24 August 2007 (EDT)
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| About anti-spam - hmm, that's odd. We might want to inquire about it.
Koopa64: We already have a place on TS Wiki to share custom maps - the Mapmaker Ideas page. ;)
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| Koopa64 13:59, 24 August 2007 (EDT)
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| Well, spam problems aside, I think we should do something about custom Mapmaker levels, I have tons of TS:FP levels and TS2 levels that I want to share with you guys, but we have no means of doing so. Sure there have been several times where this idea flopped, but this is the TSWiki, it needs some user-made maps too. I personally think this is a serious issue we haven't dealt with yet.
Can you admins do something about this?
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| Xylaquin 16:14, 23 August 2007 (EDT)
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| I haven't noticed it yet. Maybe editthis decided to add such a feature.
EDIT: Noticed it. Perhaps they heard our call ^_^
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| Drifting 14:37, 23 August 2007 (EDT)
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| I'm noticing that in order to edit a lot of pages, you have to enter a code now. Is this the new anti-spam device?
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| Koopa64 19:35, 20 August 2007 (EDT)
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| ... It doesn't seem to follow the Sticky code, but ok, I'll try it.
... >_> It isn't working... All I get is "Template:Sticky - Example". :(
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| ILHI 16:28, 20 August 2007 (EDT)
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| That's just an example, it isn't but, if you want to add another sticky, then add this on the end.
|{{ (Insert sticky name) }}
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| Koopa64 14:03, 20 August 2007 (EDT)
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| Umm... What's that sticky's purpose? I thought the Custom sticky was for making personalized stickies.
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| ILHI 04:49, 20 August 2007 (EDT)
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| It's gonna change, I'm on it right now. Also, my old TS1 and TS2 saves were wiped, along with my brothers, as was my TSFP, but I has made a copy to my memory card. So this meaning the totals are not my totals. As I didn't go on TS1 a lot in the olden days however, I can give my TS1, and TSFP.
Also, If you want to add more stickies, add this after the last sticky:
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| Koopa64 18:52, 19 August 2007 (EDT)
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| Hey Xylaquin, thanks for the All sticky, now I can add some more without messing up my page. :D
Another thing, I think posting you're total playtime in the TS games is something we should start doing. I would like to know how long you admins have played the TS games. :) Go to my page to see what I mean.
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| Xylaquin 17:48, 19 August 2007 (EDT)
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| ILHI saves the day again ^_^
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| ILHI 16:31, 19 August 2007 (EDT)
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| Unbanned him. Go to the Special Page about Blocked IPs and Accounts, click unban next to the member.
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| Xylaquin 16:02, 19 August 2007 (EDT)
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| You're right Nevar, when I saw it I suspected it, but on further inspection I noticed the 4th character is uncapitalized and the name does kinda make sence. Problem is, I'm not sure how to unban a member :(
I'll change their userpage.
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| Nevar00 14:23, 19 August 2007 (EDT)
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| Are you sure Selwyn was a spambot? His name was quite different from the others... and I noticed in the recent changes he was "suspected" of being one.
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| ILHI 13:47, 19 August 2007 (EDT)
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| link to other features they have.
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| Drifting 12:42, 19 August 2007 (EDT)
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| Wow, I had no idea we had this many spambots. I'd assumed we'd only had a few based on how many was actually attacked. Maybe we should change our registration process.
EDIT: Notice that all of the spambots have 6 character names?
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| ILHI 08:05, 19 August 2007 (EDT)
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|  That's a lot.
Also, should we delete the "All Outdoors" category, for now anyway? Because there is one map, and it isn't all outdoors.
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| Xylaquin 06:57, 19 August 2007 (EDT)
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| New Category: Wiki - Spambot
On visiting the Userlist, I noticed that there were around 50 other spambot accounts lying in wait untill they strike yet another talk page with links. On a more positive note, there also a new sticky I made. Since some of us have All the TimeSplitters game, I've created a "All" sticky which states this. It saves people using 3 stickies.
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| Koopa64 18:46, 18 August 2007 (EDT)
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| Also, I added another sticky to my page.
Are YOU a supporter of Classic Gaming?
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| Koopa64 18:25, 18 August 2007 (EDT)
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| Sorry I can't be of any help to you guys on this matter, I'm not really Admin material... :(
In other news, I found somebody who (evidently) discovered the "Play as Monkey in Monkey Assistant" glitch. :)
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| ILHI 18:01, 18 August 2007 (EDT)
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| Bots aren't clever enough to go and email an email address with their email. Are they?
I come on here loads. Just because it's in my chain of websites I visit, so, yeah, we can do it fairly quickly, but it's really annoying.
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| Drifting 17:57, 18 August 2007 (EDT)
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| Hmm, maybe. But how are we going to be able to tell who's a bot and who's not based solely on an e-mail address. Granted, this system would allow us to block the most obvious offenders, but we might block out some legit users in the process. It's a bit of a conundrum, really. I really don't think we have enough of a problem with spambots yet to warrant this system. At the moment, we seem to be able to reverse their vandalism fairly quickly.
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| Xylaquin 17:24, 18 August 2007 (EDT)
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| Well ILHI and I have just banned two spambots. These things are trouble as there's no option to enable bot-stoppers in registration (like "type these characters"). Registration is disabled at the moment. Perhaps we should implement a system where new registrants email an email address and are then registered by an Admin; this wouldn't be a lot of work since not many people join frequently.
But having to email to join does deter new members...
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| Xylaquin 14:47, 17 August 2007 (EDT)
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