Why Fandom Can't Have Nice Things

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"The people on the Internet who complain about the show were going to hate it no matter what I did, so I don't really care about their opinions."
-- Seiji Mizushima, Director of Gundam 00

Related to Dear Negative Reader and Writer Revolt, this is when someone who is involved in the production of a work and is known for interacting with the fans by, for example, writing a production blog or answering fandom's questions, or regularly appearing at conventions, stops doing so because, at least in their opinion; the Fan Dumb is getting so UnpleasableFanbase thick and heavy (and ugly) that their previously fun activity has become a burden and is no longer enjoyable.

The fans complain to and about the creator, hassle them to an unbearable level, constantly asking questions that the creator has already stated he will not be answering, and constantly doing unspeakable things. Because a small handful are ruining it for everyone else, the creator stops whatever fun interaction with the fans they were doing. This tends to give people the impression that said creator is a Nice Character, Mean Actor (or just a Nice Work Mean Creator in general), even though it wasn't the fault of the creator at all.

Even worse, the fans in question tend to somehow feel they have a right to run completely roughshod over the creator, and that any complaints from him are not only unjustified but deserve to be punished by further bad acts.

This is especially bad towards things that people actually do as a hobby, or out of personal enjoyment. Many a rant has been made by harassed creators/producers/personalities/celebrities who state that they actually could be off doing better things and not putting up with Fan Dumb/Hate Dumb, or that their life is already stressful enough with their other job(s) that they really don't need to come home from a long day's work to be hassled by FanDumb. And many a rant towards pirates have been made saying that they actually need to make money or else they won't be able to produce further installments.

Complaints often arise up from Schedule Slip. It's been pointed out that very few people who do webcomics (for example) actually make money off of them, with most of them doing it as a hobby. When things in real life pop up such as health issues, it's always the webcomic that has to go first.

A SubTrope to Why We Can't Have Nice Things. Common tropes that result in this include Unpleasable Fanbase, Internet Backdraft, Fan Dumb, Hate Dumb, and GIFT. Be Careful What You Wish For is often invoked. Can sometimes result to an Internet Counterattack and Complaining About Complaining, making things worse. Very often a case of Nice Job Breaking It, Hero on the part of the fanbase. In some cases, this tends to induce into a Creator Breakdown, with the most extreme cases ending in a Take That from the author to the fanbase within the work, sometimes in the presence of a Straw Fan.


[edit] Examples

[edit] Animation

  • Todd Kauffman, character designer/director for Total Drama Island and creator of Sidekick, had a chatbox on his blog which he used to answer questions for his fanbase. Then, despite -- or perhaps because of -- his warnings not to imitate him or else he would delete the chatbox, a huge ginormous number of impostors went on all at once one day in May 2011. The chatbox was deleted soon after, but in a subversion, he started a new one in early June.
  • Ren and Stimpy creator John Kricfalusi used to host regular AIM chats with the fandom, and post Q&A sessions on certain Ren and Stimpy message boards. Some chats and question sessions went well, at least at first. However, after a large amount of "heckling" and being drowned out with constant clamoring requests of "Do you like this show? What do you think of this show? What's your opinion on anime?", etc. (Mostly done for the purpose of troll-baiting his opinionated statements against animated shows he doesn't like) and even moderation not helping matters of people getting somewhat out of hand, he dropped this method of communication altogether. However, he later would created his own self-moderated blog to talk about various subjects and drawing and animated character theories, and does participate in comment discussions there. But he has lessened considerably himself from making as many overt statements about cartoons he does not like, quite as much, focusing more of his attention on simply praising the inspirations he does admire.
  • Kubo Tite runs a really funny Twitter whereupon he pretty much confirms the image Bleach fandom has of his real-life self. Then someone had the bright idea to start making comments about how they pirated his manga. Oops.
  • Takami Akai, one of the founders of Studio Gainax, ended up leaving the company after having addressed so many complaints about the Off Model animation in episode four of Gurren Lagann. In his own words, reading these comments was "like putting [his] face next to an anus and breathing deeply."
  • Heero Yuy's English VA said he would never work on another Gundam-related dub because of all the negative comments he received from fans about supposedly butchering the character's voice.

[edit] Comic Books

  • This story from Mark Waid (it begins about halfway down the page). He did a phone interview with a Vermont radio station and, after the interview was done, was invited by one of the interviewers to visit their comic shop in Vermont for a signing and meet-and-greet with the fans. Mark agreed and, after arriving in Vermont, learned that these people did not have a comic shop and had just lied to him in order to get him to visit. He likens it to the movie Misery and explains that he has warned all his fellow authors to be wary and make sure they are not deceived by the same fans. He does not say anything about never meeting fans again, but you can bet he is a lot more reticent about it.
  • Alan Moore is said to have stopped attending comics conventions because some fans at a United Kingdom Comic Art Convention followed him into the washroom to seek his autograph.
  • The early 2011 comments shutdown at the blog "The Source" at DC Universe was the direct result of a flame war about who was faster: Superman or The Flash.

[edit] Fan Works

  • Fanfiction authors have sometimes been known to remove fanfics due to flame wars and Ship-to-Ship Combat happening in their reviews, or being sent offensive emails about ships the mailer does not like.
  • People on Deviant ART have closed their galleries or stopped posting fan art on DeviantART due to offensive comments that fan art is not art and accusations of plagirism and tracing.

[edit] Film

  • Brian Lee O'Malley, creator of Scott Pilgrim, was constantly harassed on Deviant ART by people who criticized his art style and movie deal causing him to close his account after only a few months.
  • Following the successful hacking of AACS (the content protection system for BluRay) in 2007, Fox and MGM lay dormant with BluRay for several months after releasing Night at the Museum, skipping some titles completely and going straight to Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer and The Day After Tomorrow when they resumed BluRay releases. Most of the skipped titles have yet to see a high definition release (though Pathfinder was quickly released in an unrated version more than a month later). And all because some hackers managed to crack the AACS code.
  • George Lucas has supposedly said that the end of the Star Wars franchise was due to his Fan Dumb and the fact that they never shut up.

[edit] Literature

  • Harlan Ellison's essay "Xenogenesis" is a catalog of harassment, mistreatment, larcenous behavior, and in some cases downright assault on science fiction writers by their fans. It is a bit of a horror story that culminates in writer Alan Dean Foster's story about how, at one convention, a disgruntled "fan" threw a cup of warm vomit in Foster's face. "And you wonder why Stephen King never shows up at science fiction conventions anymore..."
  • J.D. Salinger supposedly went Reclusive Artist, and supposedly kept writing but refused to let anyone see his work, partially because he was so peeved over the way popular culture took to a "misreading" of Catcher in the Rye (Holden Caulfield was evidently intended as a much different character than how many people see him).
  • Terry Pratchett had to publicly leave alt.fan.pratchett in 1998, not because of intentional nastiness, but because fans would not stop speculating about future books, despite his pointing out it put him in a difficult position. He's popped back on occasion, but when he seemed to be settling back permanently, something similar happened.
  • Spider Robinson pre-empted this in the case of the alt.callahans Usenet group, an early virtual community based on his Callahan’s Crosstime Saloon series. While he gave it his full blessing early on, mentioned (and hence promoted) it in a Callahan’s story, and made the odd official contribution from time to time, this was always done offline and/or through third parties -– if he has ever posted to the group, it was never under any alias that could have been penetrated. This careful policy probably owes something to the aftermath of Pyotr’s Story (published 1981), which was set on Callahan’s weekly riddle night, and ended with an invitation for readers to write in with answers to the unsolved riddles. Result: sackloads of mail, and while the flow did tail off, it never ceased entirely. He's also publicly said that he's seriously worried that if he got involved with the alt.callahans, he'd spend too much time there when he should be writing more stories.
  • Stephenie Meyer had been planning a book called Midnight Sun, which was a re-telling of Twilight from Edward's perspective. She even posted the first chapter on her website, to whet fans' appetites. Then a half-finished manuscript appeared on the Internet, posted by someone else. Meyer was so upset that the book is now "on hold indefinitely," as if she wrote it in her current state of mind, she has said, the evil vampire would succeed.
    • Please note that said manuscript leaked because she personally gave it to somebody else, and the same thing had happened to Breaking Dawn.
  • Marion Zimmer Bradley was one of the first writers to run into this in regards to fanfiction. She used to edit occasional anthologies of what she thought were the best fanfics for her Darkover setting. There's a bit of confusion over what precisely happened, but at some point her reading those fanfics resulted in the cancellation of a novel set at the same time as one such fanfic. This has become a precedent for many authors to not even read fanfic.

[edit] Music

  • Trent Reznor declared he would stop most of his Twitter usage due to various unpleasant posted comments. He still posts plenty of updates, but most of them tend to be news-related rather than personal now.
  • Yoshiki Hayashi of XJapan was pretty much chased off the internet for much of 2009 and half of 2010 in a massive flare of Fan Dumb, Hate Dumb, GIFT, Internet Counterattack, and Internet Backdraft that originally started when he canceled a planned concert in Paris and continues to burn even now, though it may finally be beginning to subside.
  • In a related phenomenon, The Beatles stopped touring in 1966. The complexity of some post-Revolver tracks exceeding what could be performed live was part of it, but another factor was that their fans went so crazy whenever they showed up that they couldn't hear themselves play over the sound of the hysterical shrieking, were trapped in their hotel rooms by mobbing fans whenever they went anywhere and had to be ferried around in armored cars to prevent being torn apart in the near-rioting that surrounded them.
    • There was also another factor. The crazy anti-Beatles Template:Hatedom that emerged after JohnLennon's "we're [[Bigger Than Jesus|bigger than Jesus}}" comments, complete with record burnings, boycotts and picketing of Beatles concerts, convinced the band that touring the US wasn't worth it, as they'd just have the Moral Guardians dogging them at nearly every leg of the tour.
  • Disturbed, for a time, used to answer fan questions on message boards, spending the most of their time being badgered to prove who they are. The sad thing is, this was started by their lead singer with the other band members saying it wasn't worth trying till they eventually warmed up to the idea at the singer's urging. With the relationship soured, they'll probably never do this again. As of 2011, their lead singer is tweeting and still getting stupid/rude questions. One of the more common ones is "Will Dan/Mike/John get a Twitter?". His response is "They've expressed a strong interest... not to."
  • This is, quite likely, the reason why most music-formatted radio stations no longer freely play song requests. Of course, this doesn't stop the frequent complaints of "you never play this song" coming from the listeners -- but it is now easier for the radio programmers and disc jockeys to ignore them, and just program what they want to play.

[edit] New Media

  • Microsoft blogger Raymond Chen deleted an entire backlog of stories about one coworker after people ignored his request not to try to guess his identity.

[edit] Newspaper Comics

  • Bill Watterson of Calvin and Hobbes would occasionally sneak signed copies of comic collections into his local bookshop. He stopped when they started showing up on eBay.
    • One of the reasons Watterson stopped doing Calvin and Hobbes was because his "fans" effectively stole the trademark for Calvin away from him. You know all of those cutesy "Calvin is Praying" or "Calvin is Peeing on Something" stickers you see on the back windows of all those trucks and cars? Yeah... they weren't authorized by Watterson. By the time the cartoonist found out about them and moved to stop their production, they'd become so ubiquitous and widespread that a judge told him he'd effectively lost his own trademark because he didn't act fast enough. Nice going, folks.

[edit] Real Life

  • Hotels that are commonly booked for business meetings or conventions have sometimes even turned away congoers/attenders because in the previous year, they trashed rooms, stole things, harassed hotel staff/other guests, or raised ruckuses.

[edit] Television

  • This "stepping back" blog entry. (Spoilers for Torchwood.)
  • Warren Ellis' critically acclaimed Global Frequency was turned into a critically acclaimed Pilot which was leaked and heavily torrented to fanbase acclaim. The sheer speed and amount of piracy, of course, understandably had network execs worried about things like advertising revenue. To this day, some fans still blame the CW for not producing the show, though there was news in 2009 that they ordered another pilot.
  • iCarly: Before Season 3 had started airing, producer Dan Schneider posted a script fragment from a future episode. He took it down quickly, but it was reposted on various sites. Naturally, shippers from both sides went nuts, especially on LiveJournal. After heavy criticism about Dan ruining the fandom and the LJ communities with his interaction he quit and deleted his LiveJournal, without warning or notice (meaning the fandom lost a lot of interesting interaction with him), and eventually set up his own blog site, which he claimed was for better control, but his first post was about being pissed off with responses to his script.
  • One speculated reason for why Legend of the Seeker wasn't renewed for a third season was that fans of the Sword of Truth books were so vocal about the changes that were made that the networks were afraid to advertise the show.
  • Whiny fans who never stop complaining about "imperfections" is why Steve Roberts of the Doctor Who restoration team stopped writing articles about the Doctor Who DVD restorations.
  • Back in the late '90s, before Lexx developed a fan base that was rabid when it came to Michael McManus, who portrayed Kai on the show, he was known to dote on the fans, even the Squeeing Fangirls. There is an especially cute story of him leaving an autograph session, announcing that he wanted a beer and inviting a nearby group of fans to join him. After a few years of non-stop stalking and harassment at the hands of fangirls with no respect for boundaries, McManus eventually stopped interacting with fans all together, becoming almost reclusive.
  • Joseph Mallozzi, a writer and producer of the Stargate series in general, has had a blog on and off over the last decade. Each time he comes back, the blog is more and more regulated toward the fan hate and complaints that had eventually flooded his last blog.
  • Aaron Sorkin's experiences on the TV mega forum Television Without Pity during The West Wing's heyday led him to roundly mock it on an episode. Rob Thomas, the creator of Veronica Mars, also avoided the show's fandom after run-ins on TWOP.
  • There is some speculation within the Merlin fandom that the derailment of the Merlin/Arthur relationship from a homoerotic bromance (complete with shared destiny, near-hugs and general male bonding) to a quasi-abusive relationship (in which Arthur does little but yell and throw things at Merlin) was a result of the writers' irritation with the tin hatters who would not stop insisting that the relationship between both characters and actors was a sexual one. Tellingly, writer Julian Jones dismissively said that "we don't pander to that lot" when asked about the Merlin/Arthur shippers (though the interview was later re-edited to be less inflammatory). It's open for debate, as though the Merlin/Arthur ship has somewhat floundered, season three also introduced Gawaine, who seems to be written as in love with Merlin.
  • CBS limits Audience Participation on the American version of Big Brother after the earlier attempts at Audience Participation wound up with the Boring But Practical players left and people from the players' hometown repeatedly calling in to save their person. In Season 11, they held an audience vote to decide who would receive the power of coup d'état, which would be a Game Breaker to whoever got it. During this vote, texting would cost $1 a text but you could vote on the site for free. Ronnie's wife botted the site in Ronnie's favor and then posted instructions on how to bot the site for Ronnie's sake. People took this and made counterbots to the site so that Jeff or Jordan would win the power. CBS then made it so that you could only vote a maximum of five times, and then, on consecutive votes, randomize the house guests positions on the map so you couldn't just mindlessly click on the same spot and then vote a hundred plus times.
  • The Price is Right. Drew Carey opened his own personal blog on the show's website and within days (not weeks as was expected), ruthless fans (most of them from Golden Road.net) began attacking him. One took his commentary too far and pushed Drew into disabling comments temporarily. Since July 3, 2008, a lot of users over at that website had been hurling all sorts of invective at Drew and Fremantle Media over the firing of Roger Dobkowitz and various other things. When Drew disabled comments, he made a blog entry announcing that he had disabled them, and in this blog entry he stuck it to the fans by calling them "telephone pole screamers".
  • Miley Cyrus deleted her first Twitter account, not only as she reportedly lost her privacy and was addicted to Twitter, but due to death threats she received for posting pro-gay rights statements on her account. At the time, her account had over 1,300,000 followers. She's returned, of course, but posts less frequently and more discreetly, and certainly sticks up for herself more tersely. (She also asks her fans not to flame those who criticize her.)
  • Alton Brown of Good Eats had this problem, no less than twice. First when he decided to open up an Email portal on his website and was promptly rushed with all sorts of unsavory things. The portal was closed down. Years later, he finally relented and opened up a Twitter account with similar results. He seems to have returned to Twitter, however.
  • Before and during the run of "Babylon 5", J. Michael Straczynski was very active on Usenet, Compuserve, and GEnie forums dedicated to the show, with well over 10,000 posts from 1992 through 1998. Constant harassment by a few fans led him into several ill-advised flamewars. Claudia Christian's departure from the show led to middle-of-the-night phone calls and death threats. He's never been as active online since, though he does have a Facebook fan page now.

[edit] Sports

  • Athletes will occasionally take potshots at their fanbase or former fanbase once they leave. Willis McGahee infamously antagonized the city of Buffalo by claiming the team should move to Toronto because Buffalo was boring and poor, and that the women were ugly.
  • By the same token, some athletes refuse to sign autographs since a lot of memorabilia dealers use children to solicit them from athletes and then run home and put the item on eBay.
  • Likewise, some athletes refuse to talk with fans after Fan Dumb and Hate Dumb trash stadiums or engage in hooliganism.
  • Sports statistics web pages sometimes have these. One semi-popular page has had its sole webmaster consider shutting it down because of Fan Dumb who regularly harass him when he doesn't update on time, especially due to real life issues. One time, his wife (and even his son!) felt like responding to some of these emails saying "Sorry we've not updated -- the funeral's on Friday if you want to pay your respects."

[edit] Toys

  • Bionicle's Big Bad had No Name Given, instead known by his title, "Makuta". When an entire group of Makuta were introduced, head of story (and fandom's resident Word of God) Greg Farshtey went ahead and revealed that his name is "Teridax". The fans weren't exactly thrilled with this name, and said so in no uncertain terms. As a result, Farshtey canceled plans to reveal the name of the other big No Name Given character, the Shadowed One, rather than deal with backlash again.
  • Transformers designer Aaron Archer used to be a regular poster on a message board, with his own section where he would answer questions. Then someone had to go bitch at Hasbro, allegedly because Archer was unprofessional and rude, almost certainly actually because the complainer was jealous that another board had such a major draw. Hasbro promptly declared that it was over.
    • Bob Skir of Beast Machines also had a closer relationship with the fans than most official entities, but the on-line community was so harsh towards the series he co-wrote, that he decided to break up. He didn't attend the fan conference he and his partner Marty Isenberg were invited to either (nor did Marty). Thus, they are both still among them.

[edit] Video Games

  • City of Heroes developers have been known to take sabbaticals from the forums due to particularly intense Fan Dumb. The original powers designer was permanently driven from the forums due to extremely rabid Fan Dumb.
  • This trope is often cited, though not by name, in the official World of Warcraft forums, as reasons why Blizzard refuses to reveal specific details of upcoming plans for the game, up to and especially including release dates for new content. It's an open and possibly unanswerable question whether fans of the game are driven crazier by lack of information or by being given information.
    • Moderator burnout is apparently a very real problem due to the game's vast Unpleasable Fanbase. There have been highly publicized outbursts by certain controversial mods in response to particularly Egregious instances of Fan Dumb that reportedly got them taken off the staff. Many serious players refuse to read the official forums entirely, preferring to read the official Blizzard posts through third-party aggregators. Case in point, With a jar of ashes.
    • Blizzard developer and forum "bad cop" Greg "Ghostcrawler" Street deals with the community exclusively through blogs now, partly for this reason.
  • Mike Pollock, the current voice of Dr. Eggman, once used his Eggman voice in a fan interview to say "Snooping as usual, I see" and "I hate that hedgehog!" by request. Once he figured out the significance of the former, he declared he would not do vocal requests again.
  • Part of the reason that Half-Life 2 got delayed for so long (aside from Valve's usual punctuality) was that after it was debuted in several trailers some bright light decided to steal the source code.
  • Crysis, due to its high requirements, was widely pirated, often just to use as a benchmark. When the sequel was announced to be not only on the PC, but the X-Box 360 and PS3 as well, the series PC fans cried bloody murder, worried that the lower capabilities of consoles would result in a lower-quality PC version. Especially when they cried about a 50% pirate rate.
  • Demigod had faith in its fans and released the game sans Copy Protection. The result? An estimated 93% piracy rate that choked the servers to death and caused review scores to plummet thanks to untold amounts of lag and connection issues.
    • For that matter; a lot of Copy Protection and DRM in general, as you can see from several other examples on this page. It used to not be as intrusive as it was; yet because of people who decided to pirate the game anyways, and then the "heroes" sticking it to the man who pirated it out of spite pirated it anyways to "justify" their piracy, thus further "justifying" DRM. So thanks a lot, guys, nice to let developers know they can trust us.
  • Jagex stopped holding holiday events in Runescape for years because people constantly complained about not getting what they expected. They also tend to no longer state release dates because of the same reasons other companies do, miss one day and the forums flood with complaints.
  • League of Legends doesn't often hold IP boosts to get a special skin and only really holds skin & champion sales because their already bitchy fanbase kept whining about it.
  • CliffyB of Epic Games announced that the sequels to the original Gears of War would not be released on PC, as the PC version of the first game had been so thoroughly pirated.
  • Devil May Cry creator Hideki Kamiya will not answer Twitter questions regarding games in that series past the first title, due to Capcom's burning bridges with him and most of staff of Clover Studios, as well as the fact that DMC questions would oversaturate his Twitter feed. He will either respond with a terse "whatever," pretending he doesn't know what the asker is talking about, or (in the case of persistent questioners) will curse the asker out.

[edit] Webcomics

  • Brooke McEldowney had Comics.com turn off the commenting feature for his Nine Chickweed Lane comic after a few Trolls made persistent homophobic and misogynistic remarks while another posted links to 9CL strips with pornographic dialogue substituted for the original.
  • Tessa Stone, the mind behind Hanna is Not a Boy's Name, revealed a spoiler on the true nature of Ples Tibenoch to a select few fans, confident that they wouldn't go and spread it around the fandom. Three guesses what happened there.
  • This is the reason why there is no more forum for the VG Cats webcomic.
  • Tom Siddell, author of Gunnerkrigg Court, used to occasionally make GC-themed desktop wallpaper for the fans -- sometimes a larger version of a panel from the latest page, and sometimes completely new art. When some fans complained that he wasn't also making widescreen versions of these pictures, he decided to stop altogether.
  • After a trolling attempt led to the loss of a female friend, Sonichu creator Christian Weston Chandler decided to lash out on both the trolls for tormenting him... and his fans, claiming that their desire for more stories was akin to when the dean of his community college stopped his solicitations.
  • While he permits it to be written, the author of Tales of the Questor makes it a deliberate policy to never, ever read fanfics of his comics, because he knows he would go mad from the desire to dive in and re-edit...
  • Ratfist. When political discussions in the Shout Box started turning into flame wars with every new page, Doug Ten Napel disabled comments below the pages. However, this led to the creation of an off-site Ratfist forum.

[edit] Web Original

  • Ricky Gervais expressly pointed out that they were no longer going to give The Ricky Gervais Show away for a period before charging for it, because they were getting annoyed at fans whining that they had missed out. So they just started charging upfront.
  • A lot of That Guy With the Glasses contributors used to have FAQ threads on the forums where they would answer any question. Not only those have gone because of questions got too personal, rude or creepy, but most of the people have even fled the place altogether because of the culminating mess of white-knights, stalkers, trolls, sexist homophobes and death threats.
    • The Spoony Experiment once spent months campaigning for votes to win "Funniest Person to Follow" at the Mashable Open Web Awards. After some rather nasty comments about his "Thank You" video, he pulled it and replaced it with "An Appeal For Manners."
  • Some people who upload series to Keep Circulating the Tapes on sites such as YouTube may delete their channels to encourage people to buy the DVD set. Occasionally, they wind up chased off of the site by Fan Dumb who doesn't want to pay for official DVD sets.
    • In particular, one user whose identity shall remain anonymous dedicated a lot of time to keeping the tapes circulated for old shows that had not been given a DVD release. In particular, they uploaded the entire Daria series to their channel and mirror channels, and deleted them when the DVD release finally came around; but then they deleted their accounts after rabid Fan Dumb begun to yell at him for asking them to buy the DVD release and telling others where to find torrents of the series. When s/he shut down their channel, they took a dozen series that never had a DVD-release with them.
  • The Tropes Mirror Wiki has a Rule of Cautious Editing Judgement meant to prevent any Flame Wars in This Wiki.
    • In extreme cases, there's the Permanent Red Link Club, which covers pages we really don't want to deal with. Ever.
    • Originally, this wiki was open for anyone who wanted to sign on and edit. But then a handful of jokers from the original wiki decided we needed to be "punished" for daring to mirror the original TV Tropes site, and started spam-bombing us by creating new pages that were titled from the old wiki (using actual trope titles of pages that hadn't been imported yet), but filled with porn spam, or ads for erectile dysfunction drugs, or cheap cigarettes, and the like. When one of the spammers was tracked down and confronted, he admitted to doing it as a "fuck you" to us from the original wiki.
      • Fast Eddie's attitude toward the spamming is one of "you brought it on yourselves"/"you only have yourselves to blame". As usual, he'd rather be a dick about things than help put a stop to it.

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