Talk:Transgenics RP
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Cameo: It was said by others that Squato badly bungled the scene where everyone showed up at the old man's house, causing much confusion and, if not being completely responsible for it, at least contributing to its death.
This was because of all the complaints I've received about the way he handled it. The wording could have been better, I admit, but it seemed to be a common point of view.
Well said Cameo, just well said. You do know that that last statement (the one above me) is nothing more then slander. Even more so as it has been a few good months since that event took place.
I would like it pointed out that yes I did make a mistake after I misread a post in the thread. Something that others didn't point out until it became an issue that needed me to pull in a 3rd party (Lommy in this case). After which time I corrected it, and then made an event that I was able to pull in some of the members that hadded posted in a while (based on an idea with you which we talked about in msn). The last real action came about after I asked if I could be given time to post because I was busy with work and didn't want to have a post that was out of place of the rest of the timeframe of the thread. After that I asked everyone to wake me if they needed my characters (who had gone to bed after the events), if and when they wanted to us them for something. Nothing of the sort happened.
-Squato, and pissed off about it.
Excuse me? I'm not trying to say it's the true reason the RP died; though I'm not a lawyer, I believe that rules out it being slanderous. I'm trying to say that some people said that (and they did, although on AIM and such rather than the forum itself). I never even said that it was a widely held opinion (though it certainly seemed to be amongst the people discussing it with me). The inclusion of that statement was merely an attempt to represent multiple views.
As for the incident itself, well... I've heard several contradictory opinions of what should have happened, and I've yet to decide for myself what would have been the best course of action, but it's too late to do anything about it now. In any case, what did happen certainly generated a lot of fallout (I'd say that continuing to be complained to months after the fact fits under this category), and that's a reaction without precedent or successor in a RP of Transgenics' scale (I'd expect it in the War, perhaps, but it wouldn't be nearly as big of a problem in the War).
Finally, this discussion belongs on the talk page, not in the article. - Cameo
So those statements (ones that had been given to you in AIM), are the only facts that you are counting for this then. That peoples views made without my knowledge, and without any means for me to defend myself and my actions is allowed to base a one sided view like that statement above when you wrote this page then. Even more so as the event that you based that statement off took place at least 3 months, and 20 pages before the final post was made in the RP.
Now yes, I admitted that I caused an issue with the thread after I had misread a statement from one of the characters. That statement was after some of the characters made it to the old man's house, and found that he greeted them with a loaded weapon over open arms (a man that had no idea who they are, nor that they would be coming, nor happy that they have weapons on them at the time they meet him). It was that fact which lead to him pointing a weapon at them, and the A.I. on the place turning on them after they made a threat against him and even moved to attack him. That lead to the issue after everyone had a reaction to that which was then the point things went to hell (I figured someone had been shot based on their post from the statement as I read it, a fact I corrected AFTER I used a 3rd party).
Now we all had bad feeling about that event, but we all moved on from there and let it be. Or so it seemed until you made the page for this old RP and listed as the reason for it's death as MY fault, and only my fault.
Now you stated in your defence that there was a number of issues for why this RP failed in the end (it had over a 100 pages, and hence a good run for many RP's). Only, other then the vague statement of "that once the first major plot arc was closed, the RP began to die." without giving any facts or points as to what that is, you have only listed an event by me as the issue that lead to the fall of the thread, Other then that, no other point is made or given to explain the how and why of the demise of this RP other then something that is based on opinion over anything else.
To me, that is a case of slander as you posted this one sided information which was based only on the views of others given to you in AIM, and no other facts. The fact that it was posted here as fact makes this defamation as what is posted here would be seen as fact by a reader that wanted to find out something in regards to this RP. Now that isn't the end of it, since you based that statement on the views of others and presented that as the only fact on this and no other, what you have here is bias for that fact.
Now you stated that you had wanted "multiple views" about why the thread is now dead. To help that, there are a few of the reasons that have been given that I know of for the fall of this thread. It is only fair that these reasons also be listed. 1) The fact that the thread was filled with God Mod and Mary Sue characters (in part as this was their first RP). 2) Many of the people in the thread either didn't notice, or ignored the actions or some of the posters. 3) many members found the RP to be boring (some to the point they quit before they made their escape from the lab). 4) Bad GM'ing for the fact that you let these issues happen, didn't step in to end them, nor do anything to get the RP moving once it settled into a rut.
Now on that point about War. Yes we have issues, but if the issue states to get out of hand we (the GM's) step in and work out the problem. If it is minor enough, we make a call then. When the issue is larger then that, then we get another GM to help or take it to all the GM's. Now there are things that we do wrong, but we try to fix things and deal with the players so that everyone that is part of War not only knows what is going on, but has fun doing so.
So yes, you may not like the fact that I replied to that statement in here over the talk page or anywhere else. But the fact remains that YOU made that statement, YOU fingered me, and YOU based that on statements made against me which I believe they never wanted to be made public in the first place. As that statement was made as public as it was without any other real views, other then what is show about. for that reason I felt it was right to post a counter point here as that statement names me and only me as the reason for that fact.
-Squato, still pissed off.
