Talk:Stolen Rules Chart
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Tweaks to the Roles in the Senate Table
See my notes below the table for some small but required tweaks. Admin 05:19, 24 February 2007 (EST)
Question re: Comitia and Senate roles
At present, any Sodalis may introduce a rogatio. Did you really want to remove this right from them and restrict it to the Tribune? If so, what would be the procedure for a Sodalis to get his brilliant rogatio idea from concept to completion?
Also: since the Aedilis is the tech guy, should he be able to introduce motions in the Senate relating to his area of expertise? (Or: D'ya really think the Consul/Censor/anybody else is going to say "Hey, let's transfer the site to a more stable server, shall we?")
More linamentum cerebris... >({|;-) -- MariPere' 09:15, 24 February 2007 (EST)
- Re: Sodalis rogatio comitia intros - If you would like to add introduction of rogatio to normal sodales I am fine with that. I never included it for: 1) historical accuracy - not just anyone could get up on the Rostra and intro a rogatio or plebiscitum. A magistrate had to and usually the Tribune; and 2) to make the Tribune's role more important I left this very important function in their hands. I don't see too much difference anyway because if the Tribune is not behind it, he/she will just veto it anyway. So, if we leave it out...a sodalis just has to work with the Tribune (kinda like we're doing now...except this rogatio is actually yours, but still an example of collaboration). If we give them the ability then they still need to coordinate with the Tribune otherwise they'll just get vetoed.
- Re: Aedilis motion intros in the Senate - I am absolutely fine with this and it makes good sense...but...as you can see, we have slowly been adding more and more powers to the ex officio magistrates in the Senate kinda contrary to your desire of elimintating/limiting current magistrates in the Senate. I am fine with it either way just want to make sure we are on a track that you are in agreement with. Admin 11:19, 24 February 2007 (EST)
Conflicted
I think my trouble with this section is that I'm not sure what I want. I had intended for the Senate not to include serving Magistrates; but the darn thing keeps pulling in the other direction. Clearly we don't want the Senate to be composed solely of the current Magistrates either. But where's the middle ground?
There are excellent reasons for having the Consul and (especially) the Censor sit ex officio. Bene, that's two Senate seats out of (effectively) seven. I can live with that, or even like it. But what I had told the Comitia was that every single active Sodalis would be eligible for the Senate. It's like my English professor said: "Everybody here starts with an A; it's up to you to keep it." A history of contribution, a recommendation by a respected Sodalis, and a nod by the Censores were to be sufficient. We're drifting away from that.
On a side-note, we are only talking about five-to-seven people. It might not be a great idea to make fine distinctions that would deprive some of them (the pedarii) of their vote.
Reply:
I really like the "starts with an A" principle. Here are some concepts to hopefully put your mind at ease. 1) I don't think I ever really highlighted this but I think the entire body of the initial formation of the senate should have full rights, all would be voting members. Only subsequent appointments of those you have never been Consuls would be pedarii. 2) This is how I justify the pedarii. The Senate/Censor chooses someone completely worthy of entering the Senate but has never served as a curule magistrate (I think it is fine to add Aedile to our initial curule magistrates if you like!). There should be a difference between this senator and one who has served as a magistrare because in the case of the latter, the people have elected him/her to represent/serve them whereas in the case of the former although most likely a well-respected member, they have never been elected by the people. Does that make any sense?
One of the reasons I think these issues seem so complex to me is that we are so small right now...more on this later
