Whose Free Will Is Better?

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* Lanfire appears with a pop

<Durroth> ... you people are crazier than I am, you know that?

<Rimblade> "Aragh!"

<FulcanRyst> "Hello... are you another new guy?"

<Oblivion_Necroninja> If you're the wind, how can you get drunk?

<Lanfire> "Scandalous. Hmm this is not Kintal"

<Nick> Lanfire? I haven't seen you since...that Un-light stuff...

* Korban snaps his neck to a towards a loud sound, to see someone familiar, yet he can't quite put his finger on it.

<Lanfire> "Caelestia"

<Lanfire> "I am on Caelestia"

<FulcanRyst> "Yep."

<FulcanRyst> "Sharp of you."

<Lanfire> "Have I been recalled"

<Rimblade> "Dunno."

* Lanfire touches himself

<Korban> Unknown.

<Dale|Cleaning> ....

<Lanfire> "I seem to be staying alive"

<Korban> ....

<Durroth> ((Its random persons appearing from nowhere day!))

<Durroth> ((Week*))

<Rimblade> "I guess."

<Korban> ((XD, I'll leave it alone, too easy.))

<Selarep> (*Lanfire touches himself:<--X.X)

<Nick> ((Yeah it was >.>))

<Oblivion_Necroninja> Ok, pretend I have no clue

<Lanfire> "Insufferable?"

<Korban> Ahem, I hardly know you... sir.

<Lanfire> "Them?"

* Clyde whispers, "I think he's crazy."

<FulcanRyst> "That's it? I thought I was much worse."

<Rimblade> "Wait, which one of us is which?"

* Nick pats the floor "Now, now, we aren't all bad..."

<Lanfire> "I think perhaps you are confused... they are a bit milquetoast perhaps and lackluster even but not insufferable"

<Lanfire> Ah I see

<Lanfire> Yes I can handle that

<Lanfire> Yes I am sure

<Lanfire> Okay then

<Lanfire> I understand

<Oblivion_Necroninja> What Is Going ON here?!?! And why is Lanfire talking to himself?

<Lanfire> What is going on is a mystery in and of itself

<Clyde> Just watch and learn

<Korban> I don't suppose an explanation would be too much to ask?

<Lanfire> And as for the latter

<Lanfire> I am not talking to myself

<Lanfire> I am here for Elaith

<Nick> Hmmm...

<Dale> "Elaith? What do you require him for?"

<Rimblade> "Dun dun dun duuuuun."

<Oblivion_Necroninja> Elaith?

<Lanfire> "Thats correct. I need to see Elaith"

<Clyde> "Why do you want Elaith?"

<Nick> He's around here somewhere...

<FulcanRyst> "He's probably still asleep."

<Lanfire> "Elaith is our Cleric"

<Oblivion_Necroninja> No, who is Eliath?

<FulcanRyst> "Elaith is a Cleric of Ardendor, Oblivion."

<Lanfire> "And we desire him"

<Dale> "Eh? You can't contact him via telepathy or somesuch?"

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<Rimblade> "Oh-ho."

<Lanfire> "Thats rather nonsufficent"

<Korban> For what purpose, sir?

<Lanfire> "I was called back from Kintal to find him"

<Oblivion_Necroninja> So, is Ardendor part of caelestia? or am I confused.

<Nick> What happened that you would need a Cleric? Is everyone okay?

<Lanfire> "Falerin is clearly part of Caelestia"

<Lanfire> "It is the land of his birth"

<FulcanRyst> "There is no god but Eldron."

<Lanfire> "I shall note the purpose to Elaith only"

<Clyde> "Why would you need a healer my friend?"

<Rimblade> "Well... cept all the others, Fulcy."

<Oblivion_Necroninja> Oh. Ardendor is the same as Falerin. live and learn.

<Korban> Understood.

<Clyde> "Has someone been injured?"

<Lanfire> "Clerics are not all healers"

<Dale> "Very well then. I will help you look, if you desire help at all."

<FrogPlushie> We're all injured mentally.

<Lanfire> "Would you call the cleric of the god of murder a healer?"

<FulcanRyst> "He's not after a healer. He's after ELAITH. Ardendor's Cleric. Just because he is Ardendor's."

<Lanfire> "Not that Caelestia has such"

<Lanfire> "I am seeking very specifically Elaith"

<Dale> "Some consider death the ultimate healing."

<Lanfire> "Not a cleric in general"

<FrogPlushie> Of course, long as they healed by murdering people.

<Lanfire> "No general cleric is sufficient"

<Rimblade> "What, a healurder?"

<Korban> And you won't explain why, is tht correct.

<Korban> that*

<Rimblade> "Doesn't seem to be our business."

<Lanfire> I am a Physical Manifestation of his Deity

<Nick> He's here somewhere bud...probably sleeping...

<Lanfire> He has no right to ask why

<Lanfire> He must simply comply

<FulcanRyst> "Lanfire, I'll tell Elaith you are looking for him if when we see him. Or, actually, when I see him."

<Korban> He must obey.

<Selarep> ...

<Rimblade> "Weeellll.... not AS such...."

* Dale goes to search for Elaith. "Elaith? Elaith, you around?"

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<Rimblade> "I mean, it's still got the locomotive conundrum...."

<FrogPlushie> He hasn't been active for 31961 seconds.

<Oblivion_Necroninja> Nick, does your control over air include sound?

<FrogPlushie> I think he's asleep.

<Korban> Perhaps you should sit and wait then, no need to rush if he can't be found as of yet, and you can't locate him yourself.

<Rimblade> "Nontheless, it's a good example of the mutable exceeding the immutable."

<Nick> I don't know...maybe...

<Rimblade> "I mean, it happens all the time, but you don't think of it, because it's like breathing."

<Lanfire> Very well then I have a puzzle for all of you instead

<Lanfire> It is the alternate method

<FulcanRyst> "Let's hear it."

<Korban> Shoot.

* Dale nods.

<Lanfire> So I shall employ it

<Oblivion_Necroninja> Can you try to make a loud noise, preferably Eliath's name, to get his attention?

* Nick takes another drink and listens

* Korban listens intently.

<FulcanRyst> "Oblivion, Elaith isn't the only sleeping person here. Arden's asleep here as well, to my knowledge. He'd probably not wish to be awoken."

<Lanfire> I am that which is all and none the start and end to all your fun. The source of joy free and true and the origin of evil too.

<Rimblade> "Ohhhhhhh."

<Lanfire> The entry by which all choice is made. The fate of others oft dismayed

<FulcanRyst> "Marriage. Wedlock.

<FulcanRyst> "

<Korban> Greed?

<Oblivion_Necroninja> Oh. Didn't know that. Thank you for informing me before I tried something stupid.

<Rimblade> "A riddle. Sounds like an idea to me."

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<Lanfire> I am the power to pick and choose and in the end to make you lose

<FulcanRyst> "Freedom."

<FulcanRyst> "Free will, more to be exact."

<Nick> Free Will?

<Rimblade> "Choice, motive, be-all, end-all, and the way it's all the same in the end, eh."

<Lanfire> Good you solved the first riddle

<Lanfire> Now for the harder one

<Xforce> "Eh...?"

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<Xforce> "Ridley, what?"

<Rimblade> "I hope it's the one about the pirate, and the cleric, who walk into a bar..."

<Selarep> ....

<Oblivion_Necroninja> Riddles. good. This is gonna be fun.

<Rimblade> "And the pirate says 'Arrgh'"

<Eitak_Razal> ...

<Xforce> I don't speak pirate, I'm afraid.

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<Korban> Oh that one.

* Nick laughs

<Xforce> Never could pick up the dialect.

<Xforce> I did meet a giant man-o-war, once.

<Korban> For a second I had no idea what you were talking about.

<Lanfire> H'LSD VVIU OORD HR IVGGVY

<Xforce> It wore a turban. Called itself Manowar.

<Xforce> nice enough fellow.

<FulcanRyst> "How'd you pronounce that?"

<Oblivion_Necroninja> Wait, WHAT? What did you just say, Lanfire?

<Rimblade> "Huh. That's nothing to do with pirates."

<Dale> Word scramble.

<Selarep> ...WHAT?!

<FulcanRyst> ( H is on LSD and he makes sounds like VVIU OORD HR IVGGVY! )

<Korban> Ah my favorite.

<Selarep> (XD)

<Oblivion_Necroninja> great. word scramble. not so good at word scrambles.

<Lanfire> H'LSD VXRLSX WOFLSH VEZS VILN GSTRVD

<FulcanRyst> "Still wondering how you're pronouncing that."

<FulcanRyst> "I see a pattern though. It starts with H'LSD"

<Selarep> Is this a riddle where you jumble letters between words?

<Eitak_Razal> E's hud du vuht uv funt clnyspmac, pid rana ec y lobran vun oui ehcdayt.

<Lanfire> VSG IVIVWIFN IL VSG VVIVWIFN

<Selarep> ....

<Selarep> ....

<Lanfire> There you are

<Eitak_Razal> ((Pronounced: "EAY'see haoo-de deoo fuoo-ha-te oo-fu feoon-te ku-lunae-see-pemah-ku, peee-de raahnah eay-ku ae luoh-bae-raahn fuoon ohooee eay-ha-ku-deahae-te."))

<FulcanRyst> "A lot of V's."

<Lanfire> Solve that and then solve the riddle itslef

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<FulcanRyst> "Thank you, Falerin."

<Lanfire> auf wiedersein

<FulcanRyst> "Err, Lanfire, rather."

* Lanfire vanishes

<Rimblade> "Uh huhm."

* Nick waves as he vanishes.

<Selarep> (/me shoots himself. His brain was about to explode, anyway.)

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<Eitak_Razal> I spoke a languge that is nothing more than letter replace ment. Solve it and you get what i spoke

<Rimblade> "But I don't care what you spoke."

<Oblivion_Necroninja> Eitak, are you helping, or providing more clues? or being a nusicance?

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<FulcanRyst> "All of the above?"

<Eitak_Razal> I'm giving you an alternate riddle.

<FulcanRyst> "We don't NEED an alternate riddle."

<Rimblade> "I don't want an alternate riddle."

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<Oblivion_Necroninja> but will solving your riddle help us? I think not.

<Korban> HR, lets focus on that there are only so many two letter words, lets narrow it down.

<Korban> Well, I will anyway.

<Eitak_Razal> Since he left, you'll never know the awnser to his. Try mine

<Rimblade> "Allow me to respond to that statement in the following way."

<Rimblade> "Noooooooo."

* Oblivion_Necroninja pulls out duct tape and glares menecangly at Eitak.

<Clyde> i think the words were SURVIV and DOOR

<FrogPlushie> Duct tape no work.

<FrogPlushie> Girls kick you when you do that.

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<Korban> (( http://www.richkni.co.uk/php/crypta/letreplace.php ))

<Rimblade> "Then let me ask you this in lieu- how did the one relate to the two?"

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<Nick> HR has to relate to something someway..Letters close to H are I and G, letters to R are Q and S, HR is IS perhaps?

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<Korban> I assumed such, I'm trying to focus on the v's now.

<Oblivion_Necroninja> can anyone think of a word that has an apostraphe after the 1st letter?

<Korban> I was more so wondering what four letter word has an apostrophe.

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<Oblivion_Necroninja> don't. so, if it's backwards and scambled, it works.

<Korban> Maybe... it's backwards?

<Clyde> can someone re-type the code please =)

<Korban> ((Sorry, didn't see you type that, thanks for googling it. :P jk.))

<Oblivion_Necroninja> H'LSD VVIU OORD HR IVGGVY

<Oblivion_Necroninja> H'LSD VXRLSX WOFLSH VEZS VILN GSTRVD

<Oblivion_Necroninja> VSG IVIVWIFN IL VSG VVIVWIFN

<Korban> VVIU OORD- FREE WILL backwards I think.

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<Oblivion_Necroninja> That fits. So, D=F, R=R, and O=E

<Durroth> and I=I?

<Korban> I think, not 100% on it though.

<Nick> In that case its YVGGVI RH DROO UIVV DSL'H

<Oblivion_Necroninja> YlGGli RH free will DSL'H

<Durroth> your forgetting to translate the last D to an F

<Oblivion_Necroninja> YlGGli RH free will fSL'H

<Durroth> the problem now

<Durroth> is words that start with f and have an apostrophy

<Durroth> and are four letters long

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<Eitak_Razal> H is a D or S

<Durroth> how do you figure?

<Eitak_Razal> unless the appostiphie isn't actully one

<Durroth> D isnt part of many 2 letter words

<Rimblade> "Is it an?"

<TaloToecan> "Well, if the : *each: * line is to be revesed, that nets us..." He pauses, then writes in the air a pyrokinetic display of letters: 'YlGGli rH free will fSL'H | ferTSG NLil SZEl HSLFeW XSLRXe fDL'H | NFiWeiee GSe Li NFiWeiei GSe'

<Durroth> ... that makes no sense

<Durroth> we may be doing it wrong

<TaloToecan> "Indeed...perhaps different permutations."

<Durroth> I can only think of OR for the two letter word RH makes

<Korban> I agree.

<Durroth> and if R comes before H then that doesnt work

<Nick> I think its OR

<Oblivion_Necroninja> OK, the most common double letter combinations (in english) are: SS, EE, TT, FF, LL, MM and OO. maybe that'll help...

<Abode> On, Of, Oh

<Eitak_Razal> we don't know what the R is yet so R could be o and H could be r

<Oblivion_Necroninja> On, Of, Oh?

<Rimblade> "Er."

<Rimblade> "Um."

<Rimblade> "Ah."

<Eitak_Razal> an

<Eitak_Razal> it

<Eitak_Razal> if

<Korban> i STILL STAND WITH OR.

<Nick> ((Cap lock?))

<Korban> ((Sorry, yeah.))

<Durroth> is at no in

<Korban> ((I was using the cypher, sorry everyone.))

<Oblivion_Necroninja> ((Ok, the translation of Free Will is correct, according to Fal))

<Eitak_Razal> VVIU OORD == FREE WILL

<Nick> Isn't, Don't, Let's, Who's, Who'd

<Oblivion_Necroninja> also, words are only flipped in place.

<Eitak_Razal> What was the orginal clue?

<Nick> Narrowing that down, H'LSD is either Isn't or Who's, based on the Free Will thing...

<Oblivion_Necroninja> THREE origional clues

<Oblivion_Necroninja> H'LSD VVIU OORD HR IVGGVY

<Oblivion_Necroninja> H'LSD VXRLSX WOFLSH VEZS VILN GSTRVD

<Oblivion_Necroninja> VSG IVIVWIFN IL VSG VVIVWIFN

<Oblivion_Necroninja> according to fal, VVIU = Free. OORD = will.

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<TaloToecan> "I have it!"

<Oblivion_Necroninja> so, that means each word is only reversed in place.

<Oblivion_Necroninja> so...

<Oblivion_Necroninja> wSL'H free will RH YeGGer

<Rimblade> "Do tell."

<Oblivion_Necroninja> You got it?!?!? What its it?!?!?

<Nick> So then H'LSD is WHO'S

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* TaloToecan writes in the air in brilliant pyrotechnic display: "Who's free will is better? Who's choice should hold more weight? The Murderer or the Murderer?"

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<Oblivion_Necroninja> "Who's free will is better? Who's choice should hold more weight? The Murderer or the Murderee?

* Korban gives Talo an ovation for solving the puzzle.

<Xforce> "I would think their free will would be equal in value."

<Korban> Good, work friend, good work indeed.

* Fulcan smirks, knowing he had it just after Talo spoke.

<Korban> good work: *

<Nick> The Murderer should...

* TaloToecan alters the message ever so slightly, having made minor errors in putting it up hastily.

* Eitak_Razal looks miffed at not being the one to solve it.

<Fulcan> ( Oh, and Oblivion, try only using 3 punctuation marks. )

<Oblivion_Necroninja> Hmph. We solved it, but what does it MEAN?!?!? How does this help us?

<Nick> Its a riddle...

<Oblivion_Necroninja> ((too late))

<TaloToecan> "A step at a time, to solve any riddle."

<Rimblade> "A riddle?"

<Fulcan> "Does the murderee have free will? Can he or she CHOOSE not to die at the hands of the murderer?"

<Nick> Now that we've solved the code, we need to solve the riddle.

<TaloToecan> "A situation as described by this has occured in the past, actually."

<Korban> It does sound familiar.

<Nick> The Murderee's choices led to the Murderer's Choice...Therefore they both had a choice in the matter, the murderee however choose earlier...

<Rimblade> "That so?"

<TaloToecan> "Familiar enough that I think Elaith might find a comment or two to make..."

* Eitak_Razal frowns "Doing all the brain work never was my strong point...:

<Oblivion_Necroninja> but it says "who's choice SHOULD hold more weight". That's the Murderer. He had to make the choice to of whether or not to kill somebody. that's a pretty heavy choice...

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<Xforce> "The murderee, however has to determine their own course of action."

<Falerin> Fantastic

<Falerin> Though I must say you miss the point

<Xforce> "They would have to look out for their own interests."

<Falerin> Allow me to modify the final clause

<Falerin> Who's free will has greater value? Who's free will is better?

* Eitak_Razal frowns.

<Xforce> "Neither."

<Rimblade> "Mine, obviously."

<Falerin> The Victim or the totally random serial killer.

<Eitak_Razal> The victem, though Eitak might not agree

<Korban> I presumed that's what you meant.

<Falerin> You have interpreted murderee in a way that gives them part in the situation

<Oblivion_Necroninja> agreed. Free will is the only thing that is equal between everyone.

<Nick> The Random killer...

<Xforce> "In my opinion, their free will would be equal in value."

<Falerin> Well I concur

<Korban> It seems equal, both and neither.

<Falerin> But the murderer thinks otherwise

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<Falerin> Clearly the murderer thinks HIS free will is of greater value

<Xforce> That would seem irrelevant.

<Falerin> As he uses his free will to override that of the victim

<Xforce> as perception has very little do with the actual worth of his free will.

<Falerin> Oh yes

<Falerin> It has EVERYTHING to do with it'

<Nick> Does it matter at that point though? Even if the free will is equal, the Murderer still "wins"

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<Eitak_Razal> And the victem and witnesses would think it would be the Murderee

<Xforce> Hmmm?

<Falerin> because esse est percepi et perceper

<Rimblade> "Free will is in the mind with perception."

<Eitak_Razal> Wha?

* Xforce seems curious about the notion.

<Falerin> To exist

<Falerin> Is to percieve

<Falerin> or to be percieved

<Rimblade> Ahahaha.

<Xforce> "A curious argument."

<Oblivion_Necroninja> Free will is subject to perception. Is that it?

<Rimblade> For something to exist, it must be fixed in time and space?

<TaloToecan> "It is in my experience that such is...quite apt indeed."

<Falerin> No

<Xforce> "You could however, say that the murderer's perception is blind to the viewpoint of the murderee."

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<Xforce> "And generally speaking, vice versa."

<Korban> So the will of many...nevermind.

<Xforce> "Their perceptions would be mutually exclusive to each other."

<Rimblade> "Oh ho?"

<Xforce> "Rendering them as little more than apples and oranges."

<Oblivion_Necroninja> Are they? They are perceving the same event, just from different viewpoints...

<Falerin> Valuation is always that way for the partial

<Nick> It doesn't really matter who's is greater, the Murderer still wins, he still pulled ahead of the murderee, Free Will may be balanced from person to person.,,

<Rimblade> "Wins?"

<Rimblade> "WINS?"

* Eitak_Razal blinks

<Falerin> Looking at it from outside however free will it seems should be equal

<Eitak_Razal> I feel like I'm trapped in a Pipe dream..

<Falerin> The murderer however DOES win

<Falerin> In the end which has free will

<Falerin> The Murderer only

<Nick> The Murderer

<Korban> Hm.

<Eitak_Razal> And most will think that he shouldn't have any and the victem should

<Falerin> becuase his act of free will is an excercise eliminating the free will of the victim

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<Falerin> That is how he chooses to use his free will to eliminate the victims choice

<Korban> So... the only way to outweight the murderee's free will is to eliminate it from the equation?

<Rimblade> "But doesn't he elminiate his own choices?"

<Falerin> Every single day we make decisions with our free will effecting or abrogating the free will of others

<Rimblade> "Once the deed is done, the path is set?"

<Falerin> Relativity makes it very very muddy

* Korban chuckles.

<TaloToecan> "It boggles the mind of the empathic and mechanical alike."

<Korban> Doesn't it though.

<Falerin> We are more or less on the same page now tho

<Falerin> Ask yourself carefully

<Falerin> Why I am telling you this

<Rimblade> "Why is he telling me this?"

<Falerin> And more to the point why I wanted the message delivered to Elaith particuarly

<Korban> He's going to kill himself?

<Nick> Free will...sucks...

* Nick sighs

<Rimblade> "Why did he want this message delivered to Elaith particuarly?"

* Korban catchs himself, accidently throwing the first idiotic thing in his mind out there.

* TaloToecan blinks. "To him personally...? I ask you, Falerin, what form of foresight has led to this?"

<Oblivion_Necroninja> SSSSSSS.... Free will is important. Do not diss it, nick.

<Rimblade> "Sheer bias."

* Nick shrugs "Believe what you want..."

<Korban> ((Smoke break, brb.))

* Korban is now known as Korban:[SB]

<Rimblade> "Free will isn't a gift and it isn't a curse."

<Rimblade> "It's just where all the others come from."

<Oblivion_Necroninja> Sadly, I know too little about Elaith to be of help...

<TaloToecan> "I would think there are those who might argue with you on that count, Rimblade."

<Rimblade> "Of course there are."

<Rimblade> "But isn't that their perogative?"

<TaloToecan> "True enough."

* Elaith awakens and comes downstairs.

<Fulcan> "Elaith... nice of you to join us."

<Fulcan> "Lanfire was looking for you."

<Oblivion_Necroninja> Good morning, Elaith. It is nice to finally meet you.

* Elaith looks over to Fulcan with a bit of curiosity. "Did he say why?"

<Elaith> And pleasure to meet you too- *searches for a name*

<Falerin> It does not matter Why

<Falerin> He was looking for you because I sent him

<Oblivion_Necroninja> Oblivion.

<Fulcan> "He did not. He just said he was looking for you. As a Cleric of Ardendor."

<Falerin> I was going to have him take you to a scene of mass murder

<Falerin> and ask you who's free will was respected there

<Falerin> The victims

<Falerin> or the killers

<Falerin> Why do you suppose my cleric

<Falerin> i would be asking you that?

* Elaith thinks for a second. "Because of my recent writing."

<Falerin> Yes

* TaloToecan blinks and continues to shift his gaze between Falerin and Elaith in curiosity.

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* Nick rocks back and forth slightly, watching with interest.

<Elaith> As for the scene of the mass murder, I must confess that once there I would perhaps ask for your blessings for a mass resurrection of the victims, though I don't know exactly how it played out.

* Rimblade turns an interesting shade of fleem.

<Falerin> Oh?

<Falerin> So you would have me override the free will of the murderers then?

<Falerin> You would select to remove their free will

<Falerin> Interesting

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<Elaith> The murderers made their choice and killed the victims. That would have happened anyways.

<Oblivion_Necroninja> But, is it really overriding their free will?

<TaloToecan> "But by reversing the result of their actions, you still removed the choice made."

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<Falerin> Fantastic!

<Elaith> I didn't remove it, as they still most definitely killed the victims.

* Falerin gestures and a huge buffet appears

<Falerin> A so called hell seeker gets the point while none other makes the connection

* Nick looks slightly suprised

<Falerin> Listen carefully

<Falerin> This is an alternative situation

* Oblivion_Necroninja gulps. "People weren't supposed to know that". He tenses to run.

<Falerin> You have seen a Serial Killer kill a large number of people

* TaloToecan swishes his tail. "Be at ease, you are welcome in our midst."

<Falerin> He desires to be able to kill many many more

<Rimblade> "Uh-huh, uh-huh."

<Falerin> He wishes to live his life killing at least a person a day

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<Falerin> You know absolutely what he is doing and what he has done

* Oblivion_Necroninja relaxes. "thank you. My allies and i are mistrusted by many."

<Falerin> Further his very next victim is someone who matters to you

* Dusk slowly appears

<Korban[SB]> ....

<Falerin> Not that the coudicil is required

* Korban[SB] is now known as Korban

<Rimblade> "Um. He's going to kill me next?!"

<Falerin> But for some that are more evil oriented

<Falerin> I will provided it anyway

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<Falerin> Tell me then

<Falerin> Do you interfere with his Free Will

<Falerin> Or do you allow his free will to go unchallenged

<Rimblade> "Oh, that's simple."

<Nick> Its your choice...You free will is going to take his choices away.

<Rimblade> "Someone's free will must be trammeled."

<Rimblade> "And I'd prefer it be him."

<Falerin> Of course

<Rimblade> "Tho that is technically an act of evil by the philosphy of Days."

<Falerin> Therefore Elaith's excuse for siding against The'Galin is senselessness

<Oblivion_Necroninja> Either way, somebody loses their free will. Either it's the murderer, or my friend. I'd prefer it be the murderer losing his free will.

<Falerin> Free will does not exist in a vacuum

<Falerin> Every action we take alters something

<Falerin> All choices limit free will somehow

<Falerin> even if only for ourselves in future actions

<Falerin> Free will is not so mystical absolute that can be unfettered and considered a noble higher calling

<Rimblade> "So, a better excuse might be...."

<Elaith> I challenge it. The right to do as you please extends as far as you respect others rights to do so either. I believe I tagged the disclaimer to the end of my blurb before handing things over to Daniel.

<Rimblade> "I am against The'Galin because I want to be?"

<TaloToecan> "Rather it exists in shades of grey between black and white?"

<Falerin> You yourself say... Everyone should be able to choose your path unless that path inhibits the path of others?

<Falerin> Fantastic

* Rimblade turns a dull grey shade.

<Nick> So then you can't do anything...

<Falerin> Has The'Galin abridged your free will lately?

<Oblivion_Necroninja> But he's violating people's free will on a scale more massive thana any of us ever could...

<Nick> Because your choice will almost always interfere with someone elses...

<Falerin> This is what then Oblivion_Necroninja?

<Falerin> An argument against authority

<Falerin> He has more power

<Falerin> therefore he is bad

<Falerin> That is a non sequitir

<Rimblade> "Weeeellll..."

<Rimblade> "By every arguement that could be used to name him 'evil'...."

<Oblivion_Necroninja> No, he's bad if he uses that power to violate the free will of billions. like he's done.

<Rimblade> "All the world is evil too."

<Dale> "That makes no sense. People with more power aren't bad just because they have power, it's the way they use it."

<Rimblade> "Okay, Oblivion."

<Falerin> He has?

<Falerin> It seems to me far more like he lets them do what they do.

<Falerin> and only after they have made their choice

* Nick nods.

<Falerin> Considers the consequences of that choice

<Rimblade> "Oh my lord."

<Oblivion_Necroninja> I never thought of it that way. But what about Uncreation? dosen't that negate every choice a person's ever made?

<Rimblade> "It's a turn-based invasion."

* Nick laughs

<Falerin> The net sum of a persons total choices are considered

<Falerin> Not individual things

<Falerin> Gods do not consider peices

<Falerin> They consider the whole

<Falerin> The whole is greater then the sum of parts

<Falerin> It always is

<Falerin> As for you Nick

<Fulcan-[Starcrafting]> "I thought there was no god but Eldron?"

<Falerin> You tread a dangerous dangerous line

* Fulcan-[Starcrafting] is now known as Fulcan

<TaloToecan> "The whole is what often escapes a mortal's perceptions."

<Falerin> You may indeed be given a choice to Join or Not

<Rimblade> "I disagree entirely."

* LordBarrius stirs from his seat and awakens. Noting the conversation at hand, however, he falls quickly silent to observe.

<Oblivion_Necroninja> But, does he think the same way the rest of the gods do? afterall, he was once a mortal. couldn't that be clouding his perceptions.

<TaloToecan> "Unless I am mistaken."

<Falerin> but the choice should it occur

<Rimblade> "The whole is not always greater than the summ of it's parts."

<Falerin> will not come from The'Galin but an agent

<Falerin> and it will be offered something like this

<Nick> An Agent huh...

<Falerin> Save your friends

<Falerin> or betray them and join the network and serve him

<Falerin> That will be the nature of the choice

<Fulcan> "The Network isn't worth it. Trust me."

<Falerin> Not.... Join him volitionally because you agree with his cause

<Dale> Interesting....

<Falerin> That choice will not be availed to you

<Xforce> ((Game continues in #Werewolf xD?))

<Oblivion_Necroninja> Save my Friends it is. I was worried it would be "save your friends or fight the'galin"

<Dale> They allow you free will, yes, but if you don't do as they want... Very interesting, indeed.

<Falerin> because by the time The'Galin is manifest things will be far to far moved along

<Nick> So with my choice comes consequences...As it should...

<Oblivion_Necroninja> I agree with his cause, but I will not join him.

* Nick sinks into his chair.

<Rimblade> "For the sake of those ten."

<Falerin> The consequence of your choice is that he will judge you based not on your intentions

<Falerin> or good nature

<Falerin> but based on your actions and their effects

<Lyoko> "I will save my friends."

<Falerin> the rode to the 9th layer is paved with good intention

<Rimblade> "I hear that the eigth is just frozen telephone salespeople, though."

<Falerin> Consider that very carefully

<Falerin> True

<Xforce> "The frozen telephone salespeople?"

<Falerin> And Door to Door salesement too

<Selarep> Save my friends, of course.

<Xforce> "They do not seem to merit a lot of thought."

<Fulcan> "I hate door to door salesmen."

<Rimblade> "But I will not agree with that synopsis."

<Falerin> As for his human status clouding his judgement

* Nick sighs. "You'd think...things like this would be easy..."

<Xforce> Do you hate cheesemakers?

<Falerin> Is it not possible that you Oblivion_Necroninja are grasping for those straws

<Selarep> (Methinks Fal got this question out of that D&D alignment test.)

<Oblivion_Necroninja> No. I'm just considering all the possiblities. Some of those possiblities happen to be straws.

<Rimblade> "And I am naturally disinclined to believe that a part....."

<Falerin> This one is

<Rimblade> "Is lesser than a whole."

<Falerin> he is a deity

<Falerin> if anything his mortality provided him with experience that most deities lack

<Falerin> and thus makes his judgement more prone to consider lenience

* Falerin looks at Rimblade

<Falerin> False Dichotomy

<Falerin> False Difficulty

<TaloToecan> "Lenience...an oddity in a manner."

<Falerin> And abject stupidity

<Falerin> Which you are capable of far better

<Falerin> I should have left you shiny

<Rimblade> "Pshaw."

<Oblivion_Necroninja> Huh?

<Falerin> You are engaging in a false comparison

<Falerin> You are making the argument that you are in fact "Part" of Dynseal

<Durroth> ... his shinyness is proportional to his intelligence?

<Falerin> That sir is not true

* Xforce chortles

<Falerin> Your physical being is part of Dynseal

<Falerin> Thats true

<Falerin> But Rimblade as a being

<Falerin> is entirely seperate

<TaloToecan> "But his soul is his own?"

<Xforce> "How... curious."

<Rimblade> "Yes and no, I suppose."

<TaloToecan> "An intriguing statement to have to make."

<Rimblade> "Though perhaps, for your point, you are entirely correct."

<Rimblade> "And a whole be made of other wholes."

<Rimblade> "Though that's got a lot of holes in it."

<Falerin> Life Dies

<Falerin> And it has holes in it the entire time it lives

* Nick looks at the bottle in his hands and corks it, putting it away and sighing.

<Falerin> You wanted evil get some other profession

<Falerin> So what can I get you to eat Oblivion_Necroninja

<Oblivion_Necroninja> Macrocosms. Microcosms. wholes composed of other wholes. Wholes that are part of other wholes...

<Falerin> We really are entering the territory where it matters... and remember iBake

<Oblivion_Necroninja> Hmmm... Got any New-York style prezels?

<Rimblade> ">.:<"

<Durroth> ... please dont tell me poorly though out apple products exist HERE too

<Durroth> thats almost as bad as malevolent spirits

<Falerin> I prever the Bavarian Style

<Rimblade> "Apple is omniplanar."

<Falerin> Pennsylvania Ductch Soft

<Oblivion_Necroninja> ((Of course they do, Apple is everywhere!))

<Falerin> But you want some New york style pretzels

<Oblivion_Necroninja> soft pretzels = good.

<Oblivion_Necroninja> thought you were talking about software for a moment

* Oblivion_Necroninja eats a pretzel

<Oblivion_Necroninja> This place is awsome.

* Fulcan yawns.

<Falerin> We try

<Rimblade> "At breakfast time, into a bowl I drop an egg-"

<Fulcan> "It's alright. I think the last 'suprising' thing I saw here was that it talks."

* Nick mumbles to himself and is thinking...hard.

<Rimblade> "And add some juice."

<Falerin> I stick to my guns on this tho

<Rimblade> "A poor excuse for what I crave...."

<Durroth> this place is full of surprises

<Falerin> It may sound cool but Hellseeker is a silly name

<Rimblade> "And then I add some oatmeal too...."

<Falerin> The Abyss is a much better lower plane

<Rimblade> "And it comes out tasting JUST like glue- but think of the time I save!"

<Falerin> And I really prefer the Prime Better

<Fulcan> "But think of all the time I save."

<Oblivion_Necroninja> Yes it is. Moridin stole it from some Terran thing called "warcraft".

<Fulcan> "Yeah, about the hellseekers... Can I take them out?"

<Durroth> but AbyssSeeker sounds weird when you say it out loud

<Falerin> Aside from that... You are a truth seeker

<Falerin> But I will not tell your friends if you dont

* Falerin vanishes

<Durroth> it has three Ss in a row

<Fulcan> "Who was that last statement to?"

* LordBarrius grins faintly.

<Oblivion_Necroninja> Basically. But then, all of us are.

<Oblivion_Necroninja> me

<Rimblade> "Oh ho."

<Rimblade> "You SHOULD try seeking the Tertiary Theoretical Planes."

<Rimblade> "You get some CRAZY worlds there."

<Selarep> I'm feeling Deja vu...

<Oblivion_Necroninja> Teritary Theoretical Planes?

<Rimblade> "I remember the Paraelemental Demiplane of Jumbo Trampolenes."

<Durroth> ... Do I want to ask?

<Rimblade> "Too bad it had bouncers."

<Durroth> ... was that a pun?

<Rimblade> "We may never know."

<Durroth> it was a very bad one

* TranscendentalPig Arrives

<Fulcan> "Oh, that's comical. A pig."

<Rimblade> "Oh gods. Him again?"

<Oblivion_Necroninja> Hey, it's the Transcendental Pig! What's the meaning of life?

<Rimblade> "He'll tell you the meaning of his life, if you'll tell him the meaning of yours."

<Durroth> ((is this the one that answers questions or the one thats hiccups destroy planets?))

<Rimblade> ((Hiccups do destroy planets >.>))

<Oblivion_Necroninja> ((questions. hiccups is the Interstellar Pig. This is probably the pig from the "young wizards series"))

* TaloToecan blinks and watches the new arrival. "And what have we here...?"

<Durroth> ((I get the two confused))

<Rimblade> "It's a pig."

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<TranscendentalPig> The meaning of life is

<Nick> Hmmm

* LordBarrius eyes the arrival. "Erm....I suppose it is, Rim..."

<Durroth> ((Well then, I dont suppose anyone has three things he doesnt know for exchange?))

<Oblivion_Necroninja> ((so, about how many things happen here a day? 1? 2?))

<Durroth> A talking pig

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<TaloToecan> "....mu?"

<TranscendentalPig> Errantry

* Selarep2 is now known as Selarep

<TranscendentalPig> Or is it?

<Durroth> this place gets weirder every hour

<TranscendentalPig> The universe is being created

<TranscendentalPig> Consider that

<Rimblade> "Are you supposed to give us free advice?"

<Rimblade> "I thought we had to tell you three things an omnipresent being wouldn't know."

<TranscendentalPig> Advice is rarely given but is often taken

<Xforce> "I can think of one, I suppose."

<Xforce> "Or two, rather."

<Rimblade> "Ohhhh."

* Abode sets mode: +v Selarep

<Oblivion_Necroninja> No, you're just supposed to ask him whenever he shows up, just in case he slips up and answers.

<Rimblade> "What, why would he know better than I?"

<Oblivion_Necroninja> It's from a terran book series.

<TranscendentalPig> I have not yet

<TranscendentalPig> I do not suspect I ever shall

<TranscendentalPig> One can always try again tho

<Durroth> heh

<Rimblade> "Well, you know what the theories say on that."

<Rimblade> "Eventually, it has got to happen."

<TranscendentalPig> I do however find it fairly boring

<Rimblade> "Maybe you need a vacation."

<TranscendentalPig> The Lone Power is happy with you.... Which is interesting

<Durroth> boring like watching paint dry or boring like the first hour of King Kong?

<TranscendentalPig> As he rarely is happy

<Rimblade> "Weeeell, I do like pleasing antithesis."

<TranscendentalPig> That is the same statement you made next time Rimblade

<TranscendentalPig> I do expect more originality

<Durroth> ((Durroth is feeling saner every minute he spends here))

<TranscendentalPig> of course I am not the same pig but merely... an allegory

<Rimblade> "Gah, drat it all to the fourty-fifth sphere of the third paradise to the left!

<TranscendentalPig> One who's point is safely made

<Durroth> the what?

<Nick> Did the other pig get turned into bacon?

* TranscendentalPig fades to nonexistance

<Rimblade> "That's an allegorical load of baloney."

<Rimblade> "Or, perhaps, bacon."

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