The True Form of Carnax

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<Jeice> They've been like that for a while.

<Jeice> Hey Maxwell.

<Azerkail> Aloha Maxwell!

<Jeice> Are we way off, or getting something right?

<Jeice> lol

<Azerkail> I bet we're so off, he's here to make sure we get it right. =P

<Jeice> Pfft. Maxwell would never make it that easy.

<Maxwell> Your pretty far off yes

<Jeice> I thought so. I'm not sure what to think anymore.

<Maxwell> the avatar is a clue, if that helps

<Maxwell> but everything is a clue.. so you already knew that

<Jeice> I figured.

<Azerkail> Yeah...

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<Azerkail> Erhm... is that supposed to be a sun?

<Jeice> Any chance the "programs" are backwords?

<Maxwell> no?

<Azerkail> I mean the thingy on the Lies Avatar...

<Maxwell> it could be anything

<Maxwell> I wont say

<Azerkail> I figured you wouldn't. =P

<Azerkail> Did Emma get to Truth somehow? Her 'title' is Trinity Binder.

<Jeice> They look like lazily drawn pictures of the mother Mary. Makes me think the concept of mother is involved in it.

<Azerkail> Anna must be Lies then, if the titles hold true...

<Maxwell> I wont say, but I find it funny everyone thinks I am obsessed with mother Mary

<Azerkail> They make me think of potatoes for some reason.

<Maxwell> She has never been a clue, never will be.

<Jeice> I didn't say you were.

<Jeice> I just said what it looked like.

<Azerkail> I think I saw it on the cover of a book once... Bless me Ultima?

<Maxwell> do any of you know who even created Epsilon?

<Maxwell> or have an idea of who

<Jeice> I'm afraid all we know is the Alpha.

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<Maxwell> do you know what Alpha is?

<Azerkail> Isn't it a race?

<Jeice> A group that was a first of some sort.

<Maxwell> yes, it is

<Kazuma> other then the first letter in the greek alphabet? no

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<Maxwell> a race created by one being, created in his own image

<Jeice> His image huh?

<Jeice> The'Galin?

<Azerkail> Somehow, I'm being reminded of a line from the Bible... "I'm the Alpha and I am Omega" or something like that...

<Maxwell> creating Epsilon was the attempt to play god

<Maxwell> as you know, the Cor-Dem race worships Epsilon

<Kazuma> Azerkail, you're right.

<Maxwell> do you have any idea why?

<Jeice> The'Galin wanted/wants proof that he was right. That would explain his involvement.

<Kazuma> they were created by Epsilon

<Azerkail> Did Epsilon create the Cor-Dem?

<Jeice> It did.

<Azerkail> Shoot, we on the same page Kazuma? =P

<Jeice> Last I heard anyways.

<Maxwell> False, Epsilon was created from the blood and bones of the Cor-Dem.

<Jeice> O.O

<Maxwell> It is their true god, for it is a part of them.

<Kazuma> I see

<Jeice> The Alpha were the Cor-Dem or the Taladosians?

<Jeice> I'm leaning towards Taladosians.

<Maxwell> The Alpha race is a race you do not know of, but have seen once before.

<Jeice> Only once? In game?

<Kazuma> via an Epic?

<Kazuma> I'm just throwing things out. stop me if I get it right

<Jeice> We've seen both Riona and Makkisar, so I guess they are out.

<Azerkail> Carnax Spawn? We saw them only once... Twice now...

<Kazuma> right...

<Maxwell> They are know as the Hive.

<Kazuma> the Hive?

<Kazuma> sounds...familar

<Jeice> Annunaki would be out... right?

<Maxwell> The race was created by one being.

<Kazuma> Hybees? hmm

<Kazuma> nah

<Maxwell> And over time, they created Epsilon.

<Kazuma> hive...

<Maxwell> Create races, now why would one want to create life?

<Azerkail> Surely not to destroy it...

<Jeice> To achieve something.

<Maxwell> To control it, use it, and become a part of it.

<Azerkail> Did the Hive need slaves? WOrkers?

<Kazuma> Azerkail has a good point...

<Jeice> The'Galin might want proof that creation was corrupt.

<Maxwell> Epsilon is the Hive's mind, and soul.

<Maxwell> It can not be controlled by anyone.

<Kazuma> I'm back to the Hybee race.

<Kazuma> hmmm

<Jeice> A hive would create its queen without having one to begin with?

<Maxwell> When the Hive was destroyed, Epsilon continued it's work.

<Jeice> Kazuma, don't think hive as in insects.

<Kazuma> I know.

<Kazuma> I can't think that far out of the box though

<Jeice> Who or what destroyed the Hive?

<Maxwell> Truth did

<Kazuma> Why?

<Azerkail> How?

<Jeice> Did Riona lie to us?

<Maxwell> Truth destroyed the Hive, leaving only one alive.

<Azerkail> So... who's that one survivor?

<Maxwell> was named Carnax

<Kazuma> I still stick with the almighty question in my journalism experience, Why.

<Jeice> Something is wrong there. Riona and Makkisar were left alive from Talados, and that was where Epsilon was created, unless there were multiple attempts.

<Jeice> ...

<Dale> XD

<Azerkail> Wow.

<Jeice> Ok, now things are getting wierd.

<Kazuma> I started typing that a long time ago...

<Maxwell> Using the Cor-Demians Truth created the beast, you have seen.

<Azerkail> What would Truth get from destroying Stonerule?

<Maxwell> The host had it's goals in mind.

<Maxwell> not Truth

<Kazuma> you said Truth destroyed the Hive earlier.

<Jeice> If Carnax is Epsilon, how does Truth wield it as a weapon?

<Maxwell> When all was lost, he went into hiding.

<Maxwell> He began creating his spawn.

<Kazuma> Truth IS the hive...

<Maxwell> And when he did, he created I

<Maxwell> and II

<Kazuma> again, just tossing out my ideas...

<Azerkail> Carnax I and Carnax II?

<Maxwell> Makkisar's children.

<Kazuma> the one in the present, and the one in the future.

<Jeice> Or Truth I and II, or the other races?

<Maxwell> And the true form of Carnax.

<Jeice> ah.

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<Jeice> Tell me, where does Carnax's soul fit into this?

<Kazuma> I'm puzzled too

<Jeice> It does not seem compatible with Epsilon.

<Maxwell> the soul of Carnax is being held safe, by Anna

<Kazuma> I see.

<Kazuma> wasn

<Legault> I thought it got split among all the survivers.

<Maxwell> Carnax can never return to it's true form.

<Kazuma> yeah

<Maxwell> But it can use it's form it was given.

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<Jeice> Epsilon was stopped in the future, or was it freed from the restraints the sould provided?

<Maxwell> Epsilon is still working, right now.

<Jeice> soul*

<Kazuma> how?

<Jeice> What I'm asking is, how did the soul effect Epsilon?

<Maxwell> Creating beings, and they are being corrupted by the Network.

<Kazuma> like Reality?

<Kazuma> or am I off again

<Azerkail> The beings are Carnax Spawn?

<Maxwell> Epsilon, was created by the race of beings, which you would call, the true form of Carnax.

<Maxwell> before it was made into a beast by Makkisar

<Maxwell> I, the first clone ever created by Makkisar in the future, was the true form of Carnax

<Maxwell> and II, was the second clone, changed slightly by Makkisar to be female

<Kazuma> so more could be made...

<Jeice> What heppened to the clones?

<Maxwell> After his children were created, he started creating his army of spawn

<Maxwell> They are dead, for the most part.

<Maxwell> All but I and II

<Azerkail> I think I'm stupid. Anna and Danial are the clones?

<Jeice> I meant I and II.

<Legault> Hmmm...

<Kazuma> how do we stop I or II?

<Maxwell> No, they are not.

<Maxwell> I and II do not look human

<Legault> Do they need stopping?

<Kazuma> good point

<Maxwell> I wishes to awaken his father

<Kazuma> okay...

<Jeice> Makkisar or Carnax?

<Maxwell> You will have to wait and see...

<Legault> Makkisar I'm guessing...

<Kazuma> we freed our Carnax and the one in the future is residing in the Azru stones in the future.

<Jeice> If you were to say that out of Truth and Lies, one was female and the other was male, which would you say is which?

<Jeice> The forum ones.

<Legault> And it didn't seem like Carnax actually wanted to fight anymore...

<Kazuma> classic Idea, effective though.

<Maxwell> Truth and Lies are both female.

<Kazuma> okay.

<Maxwell> For the most part.

<Legault> XD

<Maxwell> But the programs, have no gender.

<Maxwell> They are programs.

<Kazuma> oi vey

<Jeice> Could they e representing I and II?

<Legault> To they emulate females?

<Jeice> be*

<Maxwell> They do not.

<Kazuma> to whom Maxwell?

<Jeice> Alright, what does II want to do?

<Jeice> If I wants to revive "father" what about II?

<Maxwell> Yes, what about her.

<Azerkail> Does II not want to revive the father?

<Legault> Artificials usually refer to their creators as "father"...

<Kazuma> should we ask her? or you?

<Maxwell> You will have to see what happens.

<Maxwell> to awaken Makkisar, you do know it would be freeing a Forsaken.

<Kazuma> right.

<Jeice> We wouldn't be able to kill him or uncreate him...

<Jeice> Easily at least.

<Kazuma> the ultimate weapon...

<Maxwell> Of course, Makkisar could have been controlled by Truth to create the spawn.

<Maxwell> With Truth gone, Makkisar could be harmless.

<Kazuma> why would Truth do that?

<Jeice> Because of Epsilon.

<Azerkail> I do think that Truth doesn't intend to use a Carnax Spawn army to fight The'Galin, that'd be silly.

<Jeice> Makkisar may have destroyed Talados against the will of Truth.

<Legault> Not subtle enough.

<Kazuma> some of the silliest things have worked in the past.

<Maxwell> If Truth is fact, evil.

<Maxwell> So is Maxwell, and his daughters.

<Maxwell> Something to think about

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