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[00:20] <Formerly_Somebody> Sweet. Two in one night.

[00:20] <Formerly_Somebody> Where's Lkeas when you need him.

[00:21] <Formerly_Somebody> Gah! Typo'd!

[00:21] <Blaster> lol

[00:21] <Formerly_Somebody> ...he's not going to say anything, is he? Durnit.

[00:21] <Leo> So, Seeker. What has the Traveller said about me now?

[00:22] <Formerly_Somebody> Or you could ask him...that could work too...

[00:22] <TruthSeeker> I did not leave immediately upon seeing your name...

[00:22] <TruthSeeker> Count yourself fortunate in that regard

[00:22] <Formerly_Somebody> How so?

[00:22] <Blaster> ..00:22] <Leo> Whew.

[00:23] <Formerly_Somebody> Have you and he had some form of...altercation, Leo?

[00:23] <Leo> Are there any questions you feel like answering?

[00:23] <Formerly_Somebody> I doubt it...

[00:23] <Formerly_Somebody> Maxwell's already gone and filled our clue quota for the night. lol...

[00:24] <Leo> Well, I don't feel like wasting his time, like the past 2 times.

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[00:24] <Formerly_Somebody> Ownt. This should be interesting.

[00:24] <Blaster> Very interesting....

[00:24] <TruthSeeker> Loremaster.....

[00:24] <Falerin> Galrick

[00:24] * TruthSeeker frowns

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[00:25] <Blaster> Galrick?

[00:25] <Leo> Galrick?

[00:25] <Blaster> is that his name?

[00:25] <Formerly_Somebody> Care to provide some insight into that, LoreMaster?

[00:25] <Damsel> Was that wise, Loremaster?

[00:25] <Falerin> Like I care

[00:25] <Lex> how do i turn off xop

[00:25] <Blaster> =/

[00:25] <Formerly_Somebody> Lkeas will have fits...

[00:25] <Falerin> I do not know if it is his name or not

[00:25] <Falerin> However he reacted very badly to that prior

[00:25] <Damsel> Why the anamosity towards him?

[00:25] <Leo> Thats the third we have wasted the Seeker's time.

[00:26] <Blaster> why do you mention it ?

[00:26] <Falerin> If so then he is the person who I write about in Confrontation

[00:27] <Formerly_Somebody> So, LoreMaster, care to add to tonight's growing list of developements, or did you come to taunt the Seeker?

[00:27] <Falerin> Hardly

[00:28] <Genoclysm> Growing list of developements? What did I miss?

[00:28] <Damsel> I am not sure causing TruthSeeker duress was the correct path. He has been attempting to help us, reguardless of what you might think of his past decisions.

[00:28] <Formerly_Somebody> Illucidation is a wonderful thing, LoreMaster.

[00:28] <Falerin> Apparently Maxwell

[00:28] <Formerly_Somebody> Yeah, Maxwell was here, Geno. Go figure.

[00:28] <Genoclysm> Phooie.

[00:29] <Formerly_Somebody> You said it. In-game goodness. Finally, something tangeable is about to come of this endless maze of mirror-words.

[00:30] <Genoclysm> Falerin, in one of your discussions with Lkeas you capitalized a word that can have multiple meanings. The word was Cancer, and I'd like to know if that was done on purpose.

[00:30] <Damsel> Falerin, could you clarify something for me? We are not seeking to destroy The'galin are we? The only hope we have is to drive him back, is it not?

[00:30] <Falerin> I never do anything accidentally

[00:30] <Genoclysm> We are hoping to survive.

[00:30] <Formerly_Somebody> Or to survive his onslaugt until he moves on again...

[00:31] <Blaster> We cannot destroy Th'galin

[00:31] <Genoclysm> Thank you Falerin, that is what I needed to know.

[00:31] <Formerly_Somebody> Bah. Beat me to it.

[00:31] <Genoclysm> That gives me a very good bit of info then.

[00:31] <Falerin> I would definitely be thinking in the lines of the survival

[00:31] * Falerin looks at Genoclysm pointedly

[00:31] <Falerin> I have not however confirmed your assumptions about what that word means.

[00:32] <Blaster> Cancer...NOva's zodiac...

[00:32] <Falerin> Only stated it was not accidental.

[00:32] <Damsel> ah, but it is also Maxwells

[00:32] <Genoclysm> You capitalized Cancer, so you did not mean the disease, correct?

[00:32] <Blaster> Hmmm...

[00:32] <Genoclysm> Or was it a double meaning?

[00:32] <Falerin> Conclusions and assumptions drawn in haste often lead to pain and duress

[00:33] <Genoclysm> Well, can you tell me your reason for capitolizing it then?

[00:33] <Blaster> i see

[00:33] <Falerin> No

[00:34] <Genoclysm> Alright.

[00:34] <Blaster> is the word significant ?

[00:34] * Damsel laughs quietly.

[00:34] <Genoclysm> So I have to make an assumption but be careful about it.

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[00:34] <Leo> Does it reffer to a plauge of The'Galin?

[00:35] <Falerin> Unlike Truth Seeker I do not engage in guessing games

[00:35] <Falerin> I either speak or I do not

[00:35] <Genoclysm> He said that the Devourer spreads like a cancer, or something similar, except Cancer was capitalized.

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[00:35] <Falerin> If I tell you that the reasons of my statement will not be stated. They will not be. Not at all. Not even by misdirection.

[00:36] <Falerin> Am I clear?

[00:36] <Genoclysm> I understand.

[00:36] <Leo> Clear as some muddy water. But, I understand.

[00:36] <Genoclysm> You won't give the answer away you mean?

[00:36] <Blaster> You've made your point

[00:36] <Formerly_Somebody> He NEVER gives answers away.

[00:37] <Formerly_Somebody> That's rather the point.

[00:37] <Genoclysm> Of course.

[00:37] <Formerly_Somebody> I believe he finds it amusing.

[00:37] <Genoclysm> lol, maybe.

[00:38] <Genoclysm> Falerin, has there ever been a case where an avatar has gotten an avatar of their own? Or a communicant getting an avatar?

[00:39] <Blaster> what do you mean geno?

[00:39] <Falerin> Two Faceless cannot occupy a single host

[00:39] <Formerly_Somebody> Can the host in turn act through another, though?

[00:39] <Blaster> Make sense

[00:39] <Falerin> Faceless require a physical host

[00:39] <Genoclysm> hm...

[00:40] <Formerly_Somebody> Can one Faceless occupy more than one host?

[00:40] <Genoclysm> Has The'Gallin ever managed to recreate anything above mortals?

[00:40] <Genoclysm> recruit*

[00:41] <Falerin> Not by any means known.. howeve as they are energy entities it might be possible to possess a collective of individuals in very close proximity.. however the rewards would not outweigh the risks

[00:41] <Falerin> I frankly doubt it has ever been attempted

[00:41] <Falerin> nor that it ever would be

[00:41] <Falerin> Dividing its energy would also limit its influence on the host to be far less effective

[00:42] <Falerin> Mortal is a very messy term

[00:42] <Falerin> Above mortal is even more messy

[00:42] <Falerin> In some worlds elves consider themselves immortal because they do not die of old age

[00:42] <Genoclysm> Ok then, let's see if I can be more specific.

'[00:43] <Falerin> In other worlds elves have long but far from immortal lifespans

[00:43] <Falerin> As for your question about communicants

[00:43] <Falerin> It has been recorded.

[00:44] <Genoclysm> Do you mean a communicant getting an avatar?

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[00:44] <Genoclysm> I don't remember any other communicant questions.

[00:45] <agentredemption> nor do I

[00:45] <Falerin> I cannot in fact confirm or deny that a communicant has actively gotten an avatar. However it is very plainly recorded that a communicant appears to get a faceless to serve as a vector/manifestation of The'Galin

[00:46] <Falerin> Avatar are rare.... Faceless are not

[00:47] <Formerly_Somebody> You would think, though, that having many Faceless would in turn yeild many Avatars...Why wouldn't it?

[00:47] <Falerin> Though some oddballs on the forum seem to want to believe there are only 10 of them total

[00:47] <Genoclysm> So hypothetically speaking, a communicant can join The'Gallin, get a faceless, and that faceless get an avatar?

[00:47] <Falerin> Faceless do not GET avatar

[00:47] <Genoclysm> Choose then?

[00:47] <Falerin> What exactly do you think the relationship between a faceless and an Avatar is?

[00:48] <Falerin> Avatar are the leaders of their race....

[00:48] <Falerin> They are their MASTERS

[00:48] <Falerin> A faceless always serves an Avatar.

[00:49] <Falerin> Very likely if an Avatar were to be destroyed somehow. A new Avatar would fill that position.

[00:49] <Formerly_Somebody> Wait. The Faceless serves the Avatar? Is it not the other way around?

[00:49] <Leo> Intruiging.

[00:50] <Blaster> the EOT seems to be wrong..

[00:50] <Genoclysm> Ok then, can the faceless of a communicant that joins The'Gallin serve someone else?

[00:51] <Falerin> Avatar are Faceless

[00:51] <Falerin> Avatar is a.... "Rank Title" it is a position

[00:51] <Blaster> I see

[00:52] <Falerin> Which is why I tell you if an Avatar died

[00:52] <Blaster> another will replace it?

[00:52] <Falerin> that a new Avatar would arise from among the faceless to take its place

[00:53] <Genoclysm> Then what exactly was going on with Truth and Makkisar? I thought it was said the Truth had Makkisar as an avatar, and when he died, Truth chose another?

[00:53] <agentredemption> hmm odd consept of the word avatar

[00:53] <Genoclysm> that*

[00:53] <Falerin> That is a problem with the word Avatar

[00:53] <Falerin> It means two distinct things

[00:53] <Falerin> 1) The 8 Avatar lords of the Faceless

[00:53] <agentredemption> at least

[00:54] <Falerin> 2) A physical manifestation of a transcendant entity

[00:54] <Genoclysm> Then can you answer my question using the second definition?

[00:54] <Blaster> truth and makkisar should be no.2

[00:54] <Falerin> A communicant has served as the "avatar" of a faceless....

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[00:55] <Falerin> His name is Myr

[00:55] <Falerin> It is recorded

[00:55] <Genoclysm> So how is a faceless created?

[00:55] <Falerin> They are biological organisms

[00:55] <Falerin> They are energy organism

[00:56] <Falerin> but they are still organisms

[00:56] <Falerin> Presumably they have some mating process that either occurs between two faceless...

[00:56] <Leo> They're... Parasites?

[00:56] <Falerin> Either

[00:56] <Falerin> 1) When they are both out of a host

[00:56] <Falerin> 2) The opposite is true

[00:56] <Falerin> in the case of 2) Presumably the child would be born with a faceless

[00:56] <Genoclysm> Hm.

[00:57] <Falerin> and would in fact therefore have ZERO chance of ever knowing

[00:57] <Falerin> as the child would have served as a host since birth

[00:57] <Falerin> However nothing is really known about the life cycle of Faceless

[00:57] <Falerin> Nothing is in fact know of their culture before being brought into the Network Either

[00:58] <Falerin> Or their home realm

[00:58] <Falerin> If indeed they were always energy beings

[00:58] <Falerin> Or if in fact they evolved... Or were transformed...

[00:58] <Genoclysm> You said the Faceless were tied in with The'Gallin I thought? Just how are they involved with each other?

[00:58] <Genoclysm> Ah

[00:58] <Genoclysm> Could The'Gallin transform a comunicant into a faceless do you think?

[00:59] <Falerin> It is recorded

[00:59] <Falerin> His name is Myr

[00:59] <Falerin> But whether that means a new faceless was created

[00:59] <Genoclysm> Oh, I thought that was just giving one a faceless...

[00:59] <Falerin> Or an old one was placed inside who can say

[00:59] <Falerin> The method employed is somewhat enigmatic

[01:00] <Falerin> and the Brilhado seemed to have been involved in his case

[01:00] <Falerin> Myr also is nonstandard in several other ways

[01:00] <Falerin> The faceless that occupied him TOOK over completely

[01:00] <Falerin> Myr's personality changed drastically rather rapidly

[01:00] <Falerin> the old Myr being suppressed or eliminated entirely

[01:01] <Genoclysm> Could a human like physical being possibly be reconfigured... or uncreated into the form of a faceless?

[01:01] <Blaster> What are the chances of the faceless taking over the host completely?

[01:01] <Falerin> If what you mean is can he turn a physical being into an energy being that I cannot answer

[01:02] <Falerin> I have not known him to be a creator but apparently he wishes to create in his image

[01:02] <Falerin> He certainly CAN convert matter to energy

[01:02] <Falerin> but can he do so and still preserve some kind of "life"

[01:02] <Falerin> I know not

[01:03] <Falerin> He can also destroy spiritual beings converting spiritual energy into power

[01:03] <Falerin> He can even do this to souls

[01:03] <Blaster> DO he absord these power?

[01:03] <Genoclysm> That wouldn't be pretty I imagine...

[01:03] <kakarot> Is that not what Faceless do to human hosts?

[01:03] <Genoclysm> Is it theoretically possible that he may at some point turned one or more communicants into energy beings to then find a host on another planet?

[01:04] <Falerin> What benefit would there be in that?

[01:04] <Falerin> It is possible I suppose but I cannot for one imagine the purpose.

[01:04] <Genoclysm> Truth.

[01:05] <Genoclysm> Death

[01:05] <Genoclysm> Life

[01:05] <Genoclysm> Lies

[01:05] <Falerin> An energy being would lose all contact with its "Deity"

[01:05] <Genoclysm> Etc.

[01:05] <Genoclysm> Could they keep the attributes they once had, minus the contact?

[01:05] <Falerin> I was unaware that the attributes of Communicants were all that special minus the contact

[01:06] <Genoclysm> Behavioural and psychy perhaps?

[01:06] <Genoclysm> However that is spelled...

[01:06] <Falerin> In this hypothetical problem they would in fact recall what they did in life

[01:06] <Falerin> Their soul/mind would be intact

[01:07] <Falerin> However I have no reason to believe that Truth is anything other than exactly what Truth appears to be a member of the Faceless Race

[01:07] <Genoclysm> So nothing special there huh?

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[01:08] <Genoclysm> I'd like to know how they got those names...

[01:08] <Falerin> Or apparently a "program" depending on what you are talking about

[01:09] * Falerin has some suspisicions about just what the "Avatar" are supposed to be doing....

[01:09] <Formerly_Somebody> Messing with our heads?

[01:09] <agentredemption> a program hmm...like a mind is a program?

[01:09] * Falerin scratches his chin.....

[01:10] <Genoclysm> Who origionally started that they were programs anyways?

[01:10] <Formerly_Somebody> The Messenger, wasn't it?

[01:10] <Falerin> There is another reason for the confusion with truth.....

[01:10] <Falerin> I am quite positive Truth is an Avatar in BOTH senses of the word

[01:10] <Genoclysm> They are to distract us I believe...

[01:10] <Falerin> And in fact ALL avatar are avatar in BOTH senses

[01:10] <Blaster> intresting..

[01:11] <Falerin> I.e. If you are a leader among the faceless in that position you WILL have a host

[01:11] <Falerin> So the Avatar may in fact be argued to be that unique combiantion of Faceless and Host

[01:12] <Falerin> And I do not think so....

[01:12] <Falerin> Or else they are doing a horrible jobn

[01:12] <Genoclysm> lol (NON QUOTE INTERJECTION: lol indeed)

[01:12] <Falerin> Since their presence has far from distracting us served to make us keenly aware of the immenent nature of The'galin's threat

[01:12] <Falerin> No... they must have a purpose other than that

[01:13] <Falerin> <Genoclysm> Hey Falerin, do you think it is worth ticking NOVA off to see what they will do?

[01:13] <Falerin> No....

[01:13] <Falerin> I do not

[01:14] <Genoclysm> That is a VERY old question... I'm surprised you answered.

[01:14] <agentredemption> I as i said prehaps they are "minds"

[01:14] <Genoclysm> Do you think NOVA should be ignored?

[01:14] <agentredemption> ...or rather virus "minds"

[01:15] <Blaster> Nova may pose a threat

[01:16] <Formerly_Somebody> Of coures they're a threat! They killed the Messenger!

[01:16] <Blaster> He's dead?

[01:17] <Formerly_Somebody> I thought so.

[01:17] <Leo> His former mind is, in a sense.

[01:17] <Formerly_Somebody> Care to explain?

[01:17] <Leo> The messenger was brainwashed.

[01:18] <agentredemption> or at least captured

[01:18] <Blaster> Nova got him

[01:18] <Formerly_Somebody> And "silenced". Sounds kind of final...

[01:19] <Blaster> Prehaps Nova will use him to influence us ?

[01:19] <Genoclysm> ... I just had a random thought. I haven't read as far as I would have liked, but is there any way that Myr could still be alive? I kind of doubt it, but meh.

[01:19] <kakarot> None of that can be confirmed, to be honest. We just know he wasn't 'feeling well' and is supposedly with Nova at the moment.

[01:19] <Formerly_Somebody> "Sick" the lady called him. I don't like the sound of it.

[01:20] <Falerin> Silenced does not neccesarily indicate death

[01:20] <kakarot> Although we can infer quite a bit.

[01:20] <Formerly_Somebody> The commonly accepted connotation does.

[01:20] <Genoclysm> One thing we can be sure of, they can get REALLY ticked off if someone disagrees, and there actions don't make me think they are a charity...

[01:20] <Falerin> No...

[01:20] <Falerin> The common conotation of silenced

[01:20] <Falerin> just means FORCED TO SHUTUP

[01:20] <Falerin> this can mean anything up to and including death

[01:20] <Genoclysm> Yes.

[01:21] <Falerin> Threatening family

[01:21] <Falerin> Threating your job

[01:21] <Falerin> You home

[01:21] <Falerin> etc

[01:21] <Genoclysm> I wonder why the Seeker is still free...

[01:21] <Falerin> it is not a plesant euphemism

[01:22] <Formerly_Somebody> He's more careful than the Messenger, I would assume...

[01:22] <Falerin> Several possibilities exist

[01:22] <Falerin> 1) The

[01:22] <Falerin> 1)The'galin is unaware of him either because of his caution or because he is protected in some way

[01:22] <Falerin> 2) The

[01:22] <Falerin> Grr

[01:22] <Formerly_Somebody> Heh.

[01:22] <Formerly_Somebody> Tired?

[01:22] <Falerin> the ' is right near

[01:22] <Falerin> the enter

[01:23] <Falerin> 2) The'galin has some use for him still and some purpose in allowing him to live

[01:23] <Falerin> 3) The'galin/NOVA do not consider him a threat

[01:23] <Formerly_Somebody> So, NOVA serves The'galin?

[01:23] <Blaster> 3 is unlikely

[01:23] <Falerin> 4) NOVA lacks the power to get to him

[01:23] <Falerin> No....

[01:23] <Falerin> I did not say that

[01:23] <Falerin> I do not know what NOVA does or does not do

[01:23] <Falerin> and I have maintained stoic neutrality through all of that

[01:24] <Falerin> as others can quite plainly attest

[01:24] <Falerin> However BOTH of those entities would want to stop what he is doing

[01:24] <Falerin> and NEITHER has

[01:24] <Damsel> Somehow, I'm suspicious that 2 might be the case, as The'galin was already able to use him once...

[01:24] <Falerin> so I am giving possible reasons pon both sides

[01:24] <Formerly_Somebody> You made it sound as if their goals were the same. I appologize for misunderstanding.

[01:24] <Falerin> NOVA's goals are enigmatic and totally unrevaled

[01:25] <Genoclysm> A tool doesn't need the same goals as its user.

[01:25] <Blaster> DOn't Nova wish to get HOPE?

[01:25] <Falerin> Right now however YOU have the power to effect the evolution of LORE even more directly

[01:25] <agentredemption> great there goes my idea on nova then

[01:25]<Blaster> How so?

[01:26] <Genoclysm> If nothing else, I believe NOVA is being manipulated.

[01:26] <Formerly_Somebody> Or is merely a fron.t

[01:26] <Genoclysm> Now, what is the bigest way to effect Lore at the moment?

[01:26] <Genoclysm> I know.

[01:27] <Genoclysm> Please, everyone else, save that Drakel.

[01:28] <Falerin> You should consider the power you weild of the very course that that history takes

[01:28] <Genoclysm> The Drakel know things that we don't; the story (if the Drakel survives) could provide more insight to the Devourer.

[01:28] <Falerin> The Seeker apparently considers that history more important then the others even

[01:29] <Falerin> Perhaps for just that reason

[01:29] <Falerin> The reason I say that he considers that one more important

[01:29] <Falerin> is that when he lists that one on his interests

[01:29] <Falerin> he does so in all caps

[01:29] <Falerin> none of the others are done in that manner

[01:30] <Genoclysm> Falerin, is The Path to Greatness set in the present?

[01:30] <Genoclysm> I'm afraid that I am behind on my reading.

[01:30] <Formerly_Somebody> Seconded. Heh.

[01:31] <agentredemption> who isnt?

[01:32] <Formerly_Somebody> Falerin himself, for one. =P

[01:32] <Damsel> I'm caught up

[01:32] <Damsel> I'm proud to say

[01:32] <agentredemption> heh he wrote it though

[01:32] <Formerly_Somebody> *envious*

[01:32] <Formerly_Somebody> Yeah. That's the point. =P

[01:33] <Formerly_Somebody> Ask him another question Geno, before he gets bored an leaves. I'm out of ideas.

[01:34] <Formerly_Somebody> Not that I had many in the first place, but still...

[01:34] <agentredemption> he still hasnt answered mine

[01:34] <Genoclysm> What percentage of the faceless ally themselves with The'Gallin?

[01:34] <Falerin> The path to Greatness is set in the very near past/present

[01:34] <Falerin> yes

[01:34] <Damsel> The information though about the faceless and avatars was very helpful

[01:35] <Falerin> Genoclysm... The answer is Mu

[01:35] <Falerin> Ok I have to go

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