Future Sage and Saggidus

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[23:20] Maxwell: but I must say, The Index will be a real pain in the ass

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[23:20] Lkeas: he's back!

[23:20] TDgram: Thankyou for the Tip thoe maxwell. I'll make sure to browse your work in the future..."not borrow" But browse

[23:21] Maxwell: if you think the vault was hard..

[23:21] Genoclysm: What is our likelyhood of solving it?

[23:21] Lkeas: heh.

[23:21] TDgram: Source code is easy to read...anyone could do it..i dont see why they dont.

[23:21] Maxwell: well, I was told I can not make it too hard

[23:22] Maxwell: I was going to make it that only one person could solve it but hackers and all that would get so mad they would just hack it :P

[23:22] Maxwell: so it will be hard, but not super super super hard

[23:22] Maxwell: could take weeks though

[23:22] Lkeas: heh

[23:22] Genoclysm: Will it be ingame?

[23:22] Maxwell: yeah

[23:22] Lkeas: sounds fun :)

[23:22] Genoclysm: your earlier descriptions were confusing.

[23:22] TDgram: Well, if i wanted to..i could hack...i just choose not to...especially when the game puts everywhere..HAckers= punished

[23:23] Maxwell: everyone that has been a part of the truth saga

[23:23] Maxwell: will have an advantage

[23:23] Maxwell: a big one

[23:23] Genoclysm: So do we only get one try, or not?

[23:23] Maxwell: you will see :P

[23:23] Maxwell: it will be sure to piss you off when you do not get it right

[23:23] Lkeas: yay!

[23:23] TDgram: Maxwell just a tip

[23:23] Genoclysm: Ah, at the end of a Reign type quest I hope?

[23:24] TDgram: In the event that it is one guess per character...make sure to design a way to stop people from creating countless characters for multiple guesses

[23:24] Genoclysm: Making us do that over agian would be ample punishment.

[23:24] Maxx: I'm guessing we will get one chance to place one piece. Then, someone else has to place a piece, and so on.

[23:24] Maxwell: there will be no point for them to do it

[23:24] Genoclysm: Maxx, he said it would be ingame though.

[23:24] Maxwell: and they would have to get to it first

[23:25] TDgram: Endless chances on new accounts..when they figure it out..they do it the right way on their own..account

[23:25] TDgram: Wouldnt that defeat the point?

[23:25] Maxx: That's what I understood from Maxwell's description yesterday.

[23:26] Genoclysm: Will it be at the end of a long hard quest that must be restarted with a wrong guess?

[23:26] Maxwell: trust me, there will be no point of new accounts

[23:26] Maxwell: no Geno

[23:26] Genoclysm: phooie.

[23:26] Genoclysm: It's not going to be like any quest we've had before?

[23:27] Maxwell: nope

[23:27] TDgram: Yes, you must battle 9 of lores hardest monsters with no heals in between with no potions Then and only then will you get your 1 guess at the riddle

[23:27] Genoclysm: vexing...

[23:27] Lkeas: alright peeps, i'm outta here

[23:27] Genoclysm: TDgram, I am so glad that you aren't in charge of it...

[23:27] TDgram: Lol

[23:27] Genoclysm: Bye Lkeas.

[23:27] Maxx: A puzzle quest with layers upon layers of puzzle-like minigames that we'll only have one chance of getting correct.

[23:28] Maxx: bye Lkeas

[23:28] Maxwell: im going to sleep too

[23:28] Lkeas: goodnight!

[23:28] Maxwell: well, watch TV in bed actually

[23:28] Genoclysm: Bye Maxwell.

[23:28] Maxwell: gnight people

[23:28] Genoclysm: lol

[23:28] Maxx: g'night Maxwell

[23:28] Maxx: I guess we got too serious.

[23:28] Maxwell: and you better get cracking on those runes if you want to actually get the Index to work

[23:28] TDgram: If i was, id probly make coded sort of like the vault was..except 8 dials and 12 colors

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[23:28] TDgram: ..

<The_Hollow> Going from a game standpoint, we are dealing with aliens. Truth tied into Carnax and that ties in with the entire Future Sage

<Shadow12040> Did you purposely say Future Sage, or is that an error?

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• The_Hollow hearts those

<The_Hollow> Saga

<Shadow12040> Ok. Just checking.

<The_Hollow> Future Sage is a spice where I'm from ;)

<TDgram> If in the case that our theory was somewhat plausable..the only thing related to the sun in all of AQ was J's depiction of the light clan. Which cant be correct in any odds

<TDgram> Theory debunked

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<TDgram> :(

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<Sonic12040> That's better.

<TDgram> Start from scratch

<The_Hollow> Haha nice

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<TDgram> i can make and debunk my own theorys..wow..im multitalented

<The_Hollow> You should be a MythBuster

<Sonic12040> Well, also related to Sol would be the Light Lord.

<TDgram> Time to look for something else to build a crackpot theory on

<Sonic12040> Theoretically.

<Sonic12040> And we don't know for sure it represents the sun itself.

<The_Hollow> Or think where the light comes from

<Sonic12040> Space?

<TDgram> Light = burning gasses or materials

<Sonic12040> It also breaks forth from darkness in the story of creation

<The_Hollow> Could be, if they have a representation of "sol" stands to reason their light source also

<TDgram> In all theory Light should be the Fire clan, due to the fact light is created by nothing more than fire..

<TDgram> But lets not get into technicalitys

<Sonic12040> But then Light and Fire wouldn't be two separate elements.

<The_Hollow> Think more of the absence of dark

<Sonic12040> So does it represent Zeta Reticuli?

<TDgram> In absense of Dark there is light, in absense of both there is nothingness

<The_Hollow> What would cause an absence of both?

<Sonic12040> Uncreation

<TDgram> The uncreator :D

<Sonic12040> Vacuum

<Sonic12040> Black Hole

<Sonic12040> Might Sol represent the Creator?

<Sonic12040> And then the inversion is The'Galin?

<TDgram> Well sonic i looked into it

<TDgram> And Zeta Reticuli has two suns

<TDgram> Hence Dual-sol

<Sonic12040> Ok.

<TDgram> So, either this code has a seperate Sol symbol..or its just another dead end

<Sonic12040> Well there is the inverted Sol symbol. And Maxwell said runes MIGHT have more than one meaning.

<The_Hollow> No I think Max labeled that particular rune as "sol" right?

<Sonic12040> Yes.

<The_Hollow> Upright anyway

<Sonic12040> Yes.

<TDgram> Ahh, so that wasnt the orignal name given?

• The_Hollow shrugs

<TDgram> ok ok...

<Sonic12040> Maxwell told us it was called sol.

<Sonic12040> And you said it is sol when it is upright.

<The_Hollow> I think Max had to give that one out since there was such a close resemblence to the John Doe thing

<The_Hollow> I'm just saying I dont know if inverting it means anything

<Sonic12040> Other than that it might just look cool on the messenger's site?

<The_Hollow> Funny because all thr runes where totally original

<Sonic12040> Did you draw them?

<The_Hollow> Heh "aliens" did

<TDgram> "illegal aliens"

<TDgram> To mexico!

<TDgram> lol

<The_Hollow> Bah no I'm cleared for employment lol

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<Sonic12040> Well, if the Cor-Dem were to need to recreate their runes due to memory wipes, who would they come to?

<Sonic12040> (for example if the Men in Black got down with memory wipes)

<The_Hollow> The one who invented the language?

<The_Hollow> Some old dude

<TDgram> Well Cor-demi's symbols are for the most part made up or thrown together

<Sonic12040> But there are common characteristics. They are all invertable runes.

<Sonic12040> None of them are symmetrical.

<Sonic12040> The closest though is the square.

<Sonic12040> *cube

<The_Hollow> Symmetry?

<Sonic12040> Yeah.

<TDgram> hmm

<Shadow12040> That's really annoying. >_: <

<Shadow12040> So we know there is a minimum of twelve characters.

<Shadow12040> two sets of 6 each.

<Shadow12040> ?

<Shadow12040> Or are they unbalanced sets.

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<Shadow12040> It is nearly impossible for us to kill Truth according to Maxwell.

<TDgram> Hmm

<Shadow12040> Killing Makkisar eliminated Makkisar, but Truth lived on as a Faceless.

<Shadow12040> Greetings Traveler.

<TDgram> Welcome traveler

<Shadow12040> We have been discussing the twelve runes (and potential inversions of them)

• TheTraveler Your trust in the accuracy of Saggidus is concerning... given its limited grasp of cosmology and inter realm affairs and its startling lack of any knowledge of other accounts which tell us very much what type of thing the Devouerer is

<Shadow12040> Might the devourer simply be the absence of the creator?

• TheTraveler His writing is very much consistent with ancient human mythology about the creature... but its lacking in several asepcts

<Shadow12040> What aspects?

<TheTraveler> "Aside from that however you have commited a falsehood"

<TheTraveler> "I do not believe the tome entitled simply LORE ever mentions so firmly this concept "Elemental Lords NEVER take physical forms""

<Sonic12040> Maxwell told us they don't.

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<TheTraveler> "What then are we to make of the fact that the LoreMaster contradicts him...."

<TDgram> So The Elemental lords do infact take a physical form in some way?

<Sonic12040> It would probably be advisable to go with the Loremaster.

<TDgram> I agree

<TDgram> It seems that we are now pointed in a new direction of thought

<TheTraveler> "What has been said is that they do not generally manifest physically.... This is true. As the Elemental Lords are pure elemental energy appearing directly would be destructive but they have their own method of avatar of a sort....."

<TheTraveler> "For one thing those gifted as communicants qualify"

<Sonic12040> Golems?

<TheTraveler> "For another there are always legends of powerful beings with strong elemental powers appearing through out history doing epic things and vanishing"

<TDgram> Are these forms sentient beings or places held withing dedicated locations.

<TheTraveler> "And there is always the possibility of using Golem to represent their direct purpose or will.."

<TheTraveler> "So it would be dangerous to generalize... also it should be understood that what is implied is not that they Cannot directly appear in LORE...."

<Sonic12040> Just that it would cause destruction?

<TheTraveler> "Rather I think you should take it to mean they choose for the saftey of those concerned not to do so...."

<Sonic12040> Has there been in instance where they appeared in LORE before?

<Sonic12040> *an instance

<TheTraveler> "Not within recorded history... but objects of their power so great that they could not have been created except by their own hand have...."

<Sonic12040> Would the Index be one of these objects?

<Sonic12040> Or is it of Cor-Dem technology?

<TheTraveler> "I personally rarely say never... its usually a bad idea

<TDgram> So they can, but they choose not to.. Do these objects still exist on lore?

• TheTraveler Its Never that Easy TDgram

<Sonic12040> It is rumored the Golden Set is a remnant of the Light Lord's creations. Would this be true?

<Leo: [AFK]> Highly intriging.

<TheTraveler> "In most legends there exists some basis in some sort of truth...."

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<Sonic12040> So the Light Lord may have bestowed the ability to craft such a set upon a fitting person?

<TheTraveler> "But that armor.... is more likely created by his agents rather then him directly it is powerful but Its power is miniscule compared to the type of object I am refering to.... I have not heard of such a thing being found since before the last coming unfortunately..."

<Sonic12040> So the Lords interfered with The'Galin's last coming?

<TheTraveler> "Another thing that tells you that Saggidus' creation story is questionable despite its vaugery is the fact that he says all words are ruled by elemental powers... or the elemental powers. We know that very much is not so. Other worlds have very different cosmologies and religions. Other worlds have Ice and Water as one Element. Some have Steam as yet a seperate element. Saggidus is a good refence for the mythology of"

<TheTraveler> "Humans on LORE in recent centuries...."

<TheTraveler> "But it is a limited text"

<Sonic12040> Do the runes the Cor-Dem created represent 12 different elements?

• TheTraveler withdraws without answering this question and as always without fully revealing his face....