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==Episode 1 problems==
Yeah, I've got a couple of questions about Episode 1. They're at [[Talk:Episode 1: Pilot]]. [[User:Admin|VDZ]] 17:15, 21 September 2007 (EDT)

==The last couple of seconds need a name==
At the end of every episode (or for the newer episodes, the second-to-last scene), there's a Yu-Gi-Oh! scene with some other audio clip, usually a reference to something else (you know what I mean). However, to describe those parts, we need to have a name for them...because ''The part right at the end of the episode which is usually a reference to something consists of Yugi saying 'Get out of my head!' to Yami Yugi'' isn't the best way to describe that.[[User:Admin|VDZ]] 17:15, 21 September 2007 (EDT)
:It seems to be called a 'stinger'. [[User:Admin|VDZ]] 04:04, 22 September 2007 (EDT)
::It seems that the technical term is "post-credits scene", and that it also goes by "stinger" and "tag". I think we could go with stinger, it sounds better than post-credits scene (especially since YGO:TAS has no credits), and besides, it's shorter. [[User:Tatterdemalion|Tatterdemalion]] 00:30, 23 September 2007 (EDT)

==Name templates==
If you've edited Episode 1's article, you'll have seen that instead of listing the characters names in the script, templates are used instead. This is so that if we, for example, would decide that Yami should be listed as 'Pharaoh' instead, we do not have to edit every single page; change the template, and it changes on every page using the template. To use a template, type two {s, followed by the first letter of the character's first name, then the first letter of the character's last name, then two }s. For example, in Yugi Muto's case it would be YM. Exceptions:
*Yami Yugi is YY
*Pegasus is P<br>
Of course, you can just write them down as Yugi or Kaiba if you like, changing it isn't difficult.[[User:Admin|VDZ]] 17:15, 21 September 2007 (EDT)

==Wiki help needed==
The wiki is calling this wiki 'Yugiohtas' instead of Yu-Gi-Oh! the Abridged Wiki. Does anybody know how to change this?[[User:Admin|VDZ]] 17:15, 21 September 2007 (EDT)

==Transcripts==

I'm sorry, but do we really need transcripts for entire episodes? I mean, I see the purpose of this wiki, and I'm entirely behind it, but wouldn't it be better served if we were to organize the information in a more...organized way? And is a full transcript really necessary? I mean, if someone wants to find out the entire text, couldn't they just watch the episode? I think this wiki should devote more time to explaining the intricacies of the series, and each episode as is necessary, focusing more time on important detail and background information, and less on ver batim recapitulation. Still, that's just my view. [[User:Tatterdemalion|Tatterdemalion]] 21:20, 21 September 2007 (EDT)
:Full transcripts make it easier to look up a quote. For example, if you write in references that Yugi's line of "Dark Magician! You are not a gun! You are what you choose to be! Now choose!" is a reference to the Iron Giant, the reader may want to check back to read that part again and think "Ah, so that was the obscure movie reference Shahdi was talking about!" Of course, a full transcript isn't required for an episode article...but the more information the better.[[User:212.187.108.75|212.187.108.75]] 01:59, 22 September 2007 (EDT) That was me, forgot to log in.[[User:Admin|VDZ]] 02:00, 22 September 2007 (EDT)
::We could link to the [http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Yu-Gi-Oh:_The_Abridged_Series Yu-Gi-Oh! Wikia] for the transcripts when we're too lazy to write it in the article.[[User:Admin|VDZ]] 03:56, 22 September 2007 (EDT)

==Format==

Okay, I wrote this once and accidentally lost it before I could save, so you're getting the condensed version

I think we need to establish a definite format for the pages for each episodes. Now, one thing that I noticed was the "references" section at the end, which I assume would be used to list the background information for the popular culture references. Now, considering that every page would hypothetically have a transcript of the episode, it seems that this would be a bit redundant, if not unnecessarily wasteful. Considering that we would have the transcript, rather than listing each pop culture reference in a list that people would have to sift through, we could easily dissect the transcript and insert the information regarding the reference into it, perhaps in a certain format, such as directly under the line, italicized in parentheses. THis would make the whole thing easier to navigate, both for someone who is reading over the entire transcript, or someone who wants to reference the background of a specific line.

Now, if you think this is a good idea, that's fine. If not, we could so something a bit more fancy. We could easily set up a method of recording such references as footnotes. That is, we could mark the section in the transcript, then mark it at the bottom of the page.

I also think we should extend this beyond pop culture references. Several things to take into consideration are 1), the use of music in the series as humor, for which I suggest we develop a system of including the name of the song played in the background by some means other than writing the whole thing out, 2), exact quotes from the original anime, which are sometimes hard to spot, but of which the non-obviousness makes it more worthwhile to list on this wiki and 3), direct references to the series, which may deserve a mention, although there may be a problem considering that they are so frequent, and fairly repetitive.

Now, it may seem like I've said a lot, but that's not all. We now come to the stinger. I've noticed that almost always the stinger is an audio clip taken from somewhere else, and set to Yu-Gi-Oh! animation. As such, I suggest that we create a separate section for the stinger, and list 1), the audio, 2), where the quote comes from, and if necessary 3), where the visual comes from. SO it would look something like this:

'''Yugi (to Yami):''' Get out of my head! Get out of my head!
(''Family Guy, Season 2, episode 20'')

Now, then there's my other idea, which I like a bit more, which is to create an entire page just for listing the stingers, and linking to it from each article. The page could have a table, which would look something like this:


{| border="1"
|+ Yu-Gi-Oh!: the Abridged Series stingers
|-
! Episode 
! Audio 
! Source
|-
| Episode...um, I forgot
| '''Yugi (to Yami):''' Get out of my head! Get out of my head!
| Family Guy, Season 2, episode 2
|}


Now, naturally, it would include the proper number, but it would be pretty much the same (or different, if you like).

I know this is a lot, but tell me what you think. I'd like very much to year your feedback/your own ideas. [[User:Tatterdemalion|Tatterdemalion]] 01:36, 23 September 2007 (EDT)

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:''I think we need to establish a definite format for the pages for each episodes. Now, one thing that I noticed was the "references" section at the end, which I assume would be used to list the background information for the popular culture references. Now, considering that every page would hypothetically have a transcript of the episode, it seems that this would be a bit redundant, if not unnecessarily wasteful. Considering that we would have the transcript, rather than listing each pop culture reference in a list that people would have to sift through, we could easily dissect the transcript and insert the information regarding the reference into it, perhaps in a certain format, such as directly under the line, italicized in parentheses. THis would make the whole thing easier to navigate, both for someone who is reading over the entire transcript, or someone who wants to reference the background of a specific line.''
:Actually, the idea is that most people just skip the transcript, look at the references, notice they missed one, then look it up in the transcript and think 'ah, so that's what that was about'. So, I'd rather not have them IN the transcript. Also, not all episodes have to have a transcript IN them (although it would be nice); an external link works fine, as long as the reader can view the transcript.
:<br>
:''Now, if you think this is a good idea, that's fine. If not, we could so something a bit more fancy. We could easily set up a method of recording such references as footnotes. That is, we could mark the section in the transcript, then mark it at the bottom of the page.''
:Yes, some sort of link directly from the transcript to the reference would be nice. However, unlike Wikipedia references/footnotes, I don't want the references to be in a smaller font. Unfortunately, I'm not a wiki expert, so I don't know how to do that. If you do know how to do that, please do it, it's a great idea.
:<br>
:''I also think we should extend this beyond pop culture references. Several things to take into consideration are 1), the use of music in the series as humor, for which I suggest we develop a system of including the name of the song played in the background by some means other than writing the whole thing out, 2), exact quotes from the original anime, which are sometimes hard to spot, but of which the non-obviousness makes it more worthwhile to list on this wiki and 3), direct references to the series, which may deserve a mention, although there may be a problem considering that they are so frequent, and fairly repetitive.''
:That's where the 'notes' section comes in. In the current [[Episode 1|ep1]] article, it explains how summoning a bunch of monsters in one turn is against the rules. The same way we could explain what music is played where and why, what quotes are directly from the anime, and which references refer directly to the series (although #3 would be under references - it's not only pop culture references).
:<br>
:''Now, it may seem like I've said a lot, but that's not all. We now come to the stinger. I've noticed that almost always the stinger is an audio clip taken from somewhere else, and set to Yu-Gi-Oh! animation. As such, I suggest that we create a separate section for the stinger, and list 1), the audio, 2), where the quote comes from, and if necessary 3), where the visual comes from. SO it would look something like this:

:'''Yugi (to Yami):''' Get out of my head! Get out of my head!
(''Family Guy, Season 2, episode 20'')''
:Yes. Although it's not perfect, it's better than what we have now.
:<br>
:''Now, then there's my other idea, which I like a bit more, which is to create an entire page just for listing the stingers, and linking to it from each article. The page could have a table, which would look something like this:


{| border="1"
|+ Yu-Gi-Oh!: the Abridged Series stingers
|-
! Episode 
! Audio 
! Source
|-
| Episode...um, I forgot
| '''Yugi (to Yami):''' Get out of my head! Get out of my head!
| Family Guy, Season 2, episode 2
|}''
:Yes and no. Such a list would in fact be a very good idea. However, it should not REPLACE the stinger part in the article. It would just be a seperate article that first explains what stingers in YGOTAS are like, then lists all stingers (with links to the episodes). If possible, this should be done with all recurring jokes, such as Kaiba's 'screw the rules, I have money' (which would also list 'screw the rules, I have green hair' and 'I had no money, so I was unable to screw the rules').[[User:Admin|VDZ]] 06:23, 23 September 2007 (EDT)
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 |}''
 :Yes and no. Such a list would in fact be a very good idea. However, it should not REPLACE the stinger part in the article. It would just be a seperate article that first explains what stingers in YGOTAS are like, then lists all stingers (with links to the episodes). If possible, this should be done with all recurring jokes, such as Kaiba's 'screw the rules, I have money' (which would also list 'screw the rules, I have green hair' and 'I had no money, so I was unable to screw the rules').[[User:Admin|VDZ]] 06:23, 23 September 2007 (EDT)
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-::Okay, I agree that not inserting everythingdirectly into the transcript is fine, but if we don't do that, I think a system of footnoting would be in order. The idea would be to organize things in a way that makes it easy to refer between the transcript and the references section. Now, on Wikipedia generally the footnotes appear in smaller text, but it seems that it's just as easy to do regular sized footnotes. Still, one thing that I noticed is that the reference/footnote tags (<ref></ref>) don't quite seem to...um,...work. Yeah, I'm not too sure about that either.
-::In any case, what I'd like to do is get rid of as much superfluous language as possible. Now, this may sound odd, but I think what's best is that we stick to a format that is organized, very accessible, and easy to read. I'd eventually like to smooth it out to the extent that it is no longer neccessary to say "the part where" or "when X says". My other idea is that we keep the transcript intact, but at the same time, in the references section, couple the description with the actual quote, so instead of looking like this:
-::*When Yugi inserts the video tape, Solomon says 'I just hope it's not one of those cursed video tapes that are all the rage these days'. When Pegasus appears on screen, he starts off by saying 'Seven days...'. Both are references to Ring, a Japanese horror film about a cursed video tape that causes everybody who watches it to die seven days later.
-::It would look like this:
-::'''Grandpa''': I just hope it's not one of those cursed video tapes that are all the rage these days..
-::'''Pegasus (on tape)''': Seven days.
-::This is a reference to Ring, a Japanese horror film about a cursed video tape that causes everybody who watches it to die seven days later.
-::It just looks better, more organized and the like, doesn't it?
-::And I agree with you about the stinger, and that even if we're going to have a separate page we should keep it in the episode's article as well. Also, it may seem a bit unnecessary but could we keep the table format? It would only have 2 (possibly 3) columns, and one row, but still, just for the purposes of organization I think it would be a good idea. [[User:Tatterdemalion|Tatterdemalion]] 15:48, 23 September 2007 (EDT)
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-:::I think <ref> is a wikipedia-only thing. Or it might be from a newer version (this wiki uses an older version of the software...for example, we can't use if statements for templates either). We'll figure it out somehow...or somebody will come eventually who does know how to do it :P
-:::I like the current way of explaining references better...what you're trying to do looks okay with one reference, but wouldn't look very nice with multiple references.
-:::The stinger table is completely fine, and should be used when we make that page (with all three columns). [[User:Admin|VDZ]] 17:11, 23 September 2007 (EDT)
-::::I kind of think the format I outlined works just as well with multiple references. I took the liberty of reformatting the entire references section of the article in my [[User:Tatterdemalion|user space]], and I think it looks pretty good. I also added some, which I'll add to the article once we agree on a format, and I placed them in chronological order, based on the order in which they appear in the episode. I think that way makes it easier for a person to find what they're looking for. Take a look and tell me what you think. [[User:Tatterdemalion|Tatterdemalion]] 18:06, 23 September 2007 (EDT)
-:::::Hm, okay...but just don't leave out the brilliant Ring references :P [[User:Admin|VDZ]] 01:14, 24 September 2007 (EDT)
-::::::Sorry, that was just an oversight on my part. So do we agree on this format, at least for now? [[User:Tatterdemalion|Tatterdemalion]] 15:51, 24 September 2007 (EDT)
-:::::::Actually, now I'm looking at it again...how do I say this...you can't immediately see when the explanation for reference 1 ends and the explanation for reference 2 starts - it looks like one block of text. When you completely read it, it seems fine, but if you start reading then recognize the reference, you might want to skip to the next reference, because you already know what reference 1 is about. However, you can't see where to continue reading without reading the whole thing.[[User:Admin|VDZ]] 09:04, 25 September 2007 (EDT)