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! style="border-bottom: 1px solid #ccc7b7; background-color: #eee9d9;" colspan="2"|<big>'''Main Hall'''</big>   | ! style="border-bottom: 1px solid #ccc7b7; background-color: #eee9d9;" colspan="2"|<big>'''Main Hall'''</big>   | ||
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| - | | style="padding: 0.5em; border-top: 1px solid #ccc7b7;" | Discussions can be held here. After writing something here, put your signature down also by typing <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. Please add | + | | style="padding: 0.5em; border-top: 1px solid #ccc7b7;" | Discussions can be held here in the '''Main Hall'''. After writing something here, put your signature down also by typing <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. Please add new topics to the '''bottom''' of this page. |
| + | Please also take a look at the [[wikivinaya:Guidelines_of_discussion|guidelines of discussion at WikiVinaya]] | ||
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| + | ==Example== | ||
| + | This is just an example of how the posts here should look like. There is the title of the topic ('Example' in this case), and under that you can start typing your comments. [[User:Admin|DJti]] 21:08, 28 June 2006 (EDT) | ||
| + | :This is a reply to the previous post, moved a bit more to the right than the previous post.[[User:Admin|DJti]] 21:09, 28 June 2006 (EDT) | ||
| + | ::Another reply, moved still more to the right. [[User:Admin|DJti]] 21:09, 28 June 2006 (EDT) | ||
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| + | ==Wikisource== | ||
| + | I'm wondering if there has been any consideration of setting up a clear area for large original source material? For example the articles from eVinaya. That way if authors wanted to include original work that would not be subject to editing they could. Because, in general, my understanding is that pages wouldn't have authors as regular documents would. Also, having source documents locked into part of wikiVinaya would prevent broken links in the future. I'm not saying that all original work should be in a separate section, just longer articles, essays, etc. [[User:BKh|BKh]] 17:19, 20 July 2006 (EDT) | ||
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| + | :Hello, I was not familiar with the actual meaning of wikisource, but having read a bit about it, I would say 'yes', that would be a good thing. It would remove some objections for people to work with WikiVinaya. Also it would prevent broken links as you say. | ||
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| + | :An other issue would be the copyright. In the English Wikipedia it says concerning wikisource that ''All texts collected are free of copyright, either because this has expired or because the text has been released under a GNU Free Documentation License.''. So we could definately host old works like the 'Sacred Books of the East', and any works which are put specifically under the same licence as WikiVinaya uses. However I am not sure if for example Ajahn Brahm would want his stuff to be under the CC 2.5 licence we use here. Even though we wouldn't change it, somebody else might copy it and do so. But in that case they would still have to mention te original at WikiVinaya. Maybe something could be worked out in terms of setup of the Wikisource-section. I think maybe WikiVinaya could allow for 2 options: to put the original in a wikisource section, an put a more open fully editable version in the normal section (depending if people choose to put time into this). Also the wiki-source part could be freely incorporated into the main part in the form of quotations from it. | ||
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| + | :On Wikipedia it also says ''Wikisource does not host 'vanity press' books or documents produced by its contributors.'' For us this would naturally not work out very well, so maybe we could say that in case of a vote, at least 25% (?) of the voters should support the presence of a text at the source-section of WikiVinaya. If it doesn't reach 25% it would be removed. | ||
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| + | :greetings, [[User:Admin|DJti]] 20:16, 20 July 2006 (EDT) | ||
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| + | ::I had not thought of those issues. Just to clarify, my idea was that we would have our own section of source material. So could it be made clear that authors maintained whatever copyright they wanted? The particular copyright they wanted could go at the top of the article. The talk page would be available for editing, I'm assuming. Do you think 25% is necessary? How about anyone besides the author could post it with the author's permission? Just a thought. But whatever you think best. Sincerely, [[User:BKh|BKh]] 20:35, 20 July 2006 (EDT) | ||
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| + | :::I actually think is not possible, since everything at a wiki always has the same copyright policy. If you click 'edit' the link to the copyright policy appears. I think anybody could post it providing the author agrees for the CC2.5 copyright to be applied to it. For using different types of copyright I think just a normal webpage would be the way to go. eVinaya has a few texts on its site. | ||
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| + | I tried to back it up using [[Special:Export]] but had no success; some error-message. Tried to use an offline browser to download it afterwards (HTTrack), which also gave back an error-message. Will think about what to do next. Greetings, [[User_Talk:Admin|DJti]] 09:03, 21 July 2006 (EDT) | ||
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| + | :Now I succeeded making a backup of all the articles, with all the old versions, but without the talk-pages. Also the community portal and the other WikiVinaya-pages are not yet backed up. But at least I know how to do it now. The backup I made was 1.7 MB big already... Greetings, [[User_Talk:Admin|DJti]] 10:14, 21 July 2006 (EDT) | ||
Current revision as of 14:14, 21 July 2006
| Main Hall | |
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| Discussions can be held here in the Main Hall. After writing something here, put your signature down also by typing ~~~~. Please add new topics to the bottom of this page.
Please also take a look at the guidelines of discussion at WikiVinaya | |
Example
This is just an example of how the posts here should look like. There is the title of the topic ('Example' in this case), and under that you can start typing your comments. DJti 21:08, 28 June 2006 (EDT)
- This is a reply to the previous post, moved a bit more to the right than the previous post.DJti 21:09, 28 June 2006 (EDT)
- Another reply, moved still more to the right. DJti 21:09, 28 June 2006 (EDT)
Wikisource
I'm wondering if there has been any consideration of setting up a clear area for large original source material? For example the articles from eVinaya. That way if authors wanted to include original work that would not be subject to editing they could. Because, in general, my understanding is that pages wouldn't have authors as regular documents would. Also, having source documents locked into part of wikiVinaya would prevent broken links in the future. I'm not saying that all original work should be in a separate section, just longer articles, essays, etc. BKh 17:19, 20 July 2006 (EDT)
- Hello, I was not familiar with the actual meaning of wikisource, but having read a bit about it, I would say 'yes', that would be a good thing. It would remove some objections for people to work with WikiVinaya. Also it would prevent broken links as you say.
- An other issue would be the copyright. In the English Wikipedia it says concerning wikisource that All texts collected are free of copyright, either because this has expired or because the text has been released under a GNU Free Documentation License.. So we could definately host old works like the 'Sacred Books of the East', and any works which are put specifically under the same licence as WikiVinaya uses. However I am not sure if for example Ajahn Brahm would want his stuff to be under the CC 2.5 licence we use here. Even though we wouldn't change it, somebody else might copy it and do so. But in that case they would still have to mention te original at WikiVinaya. Maybe something could be worked out in terms of setup of the Wikisource-section. I think maybe WikiVinaya could allow for 2 options: to put the original in a wikisource section, an put a more open fully editable version in the normal section (depending if people choose to put time into this). Also the wiki-source part could be freely incorporated into the main part in the form of quotations from it.
- On Wikipedia it also says Wikisource does not host 'vanity press' books or documents produced by its contributors. For us this would naturally not work out very well, so maybe we could say that in case of a vote, at least 25% (?) of the voters should support the presence of a text at the source-section of WikiVinaya. If it doesn't reach 25% it would be removed.
- greetings, DJti 20:16, 20 July 2006 (EDT)
- I had not thought of those issues. Just to clarify, my idea was that we would have our own section of source material. So could it be made clear that authors maintained whatever copyright they wanted? The particular copyright they wanted could go at the top of the article. The talk page would be available for editing, I'm assuming. Do you think 25% is necessary? How about anyone besides the author could post it with the author's permission? Just a thought. But whatever you think best. Sincerely, BKh 20:35, 20 July 2006 (EDT)
- I actually think is not possible, since everything at a wiki always has the same copyright policy. If you click 'edit' the link to the copyright policy appears. I think anybody could post it providing the author agrees for the CC2.5 copyright to be applied to it. For using different types of copyright I think just a normal webpage would be the way to go. eVinaya has a few texts on its site.
backup
I tried to back it up using Special:Export but had no success; some error-message. Tried to use an offline browser to download it afterwards (HTTrack), which also gave back an error-message. Will think about what to do next. Greetings, DJti 09:03, 21 July 2006 (EDT)
- Now I succeeded making a backup of all the articles, with all the old versions, but without the talk-pages. Also the community portal and the other WikiVinaya-pages are not yet backed up. But at least I know how to do it now. The backup I made was 1.7 MB big already... Greetings, DJti 10:14, 21 July 2006 (EDT)
