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Project inactive

Is it? ForestH2 19:49, 30 January 2007 (EST)

It seems to be but I do not want it to. Will you promote it for me. --Sir James Paul 07:26, 31 January 2007 (EST)

I would be glad to promote it. I sort of think this has a better chance of becoming a wikimedia project than Wikikids right now. I'll do some editing now. ForestH2 08:17, 31 January 2007 (EST)

This place would probably be better off inactive - seems about as promising as WikiKids was. Power corrupts, as they say.... Qwerty 19:13, 8 February 2007 (EST)

Copyvios

You know, I think I'll leave. Because:

1. I am not a jerk.

2. When I was in school, I didn't copy the teacher's things in project.

3. The wiki is a complete mess.

ForestH2 12:13, 3 February 2007 (EST)

Archer7 was talking about the logo and not articles. --Sir James Paul 12:14, 3 February 2007 (EST)

Here.

The license Wikipedia uses grants free access to our content in the same sense as free software is licensed freely. This principle is known as copyleft. That is to say, Wikipedia content can be copied, modified, and redistributed so long as the new version grants the same freedoms to others and acknowledges the authors of the Wikipedia article used (a direct link back to the article satisfies our author credit requirement). Wikipedia articles therefore will remain free forever and can be used by anybody subject to certain restrictions, most of which serve to ensure that freedom.

Read this paragraph and decide if the info you copyed from Wikipedia applies to this. It most certainly does not. You need to mention a direct link back to the articlie, and you need to acknowledge the authors of the Wikipedia article used. ForestH2 12:20, 3 February 2007 (EST)

ForestH2, please do not leave. Of course this place is a mess, but it is not a complete mess. We will test out policies and if they fail we will try new things. I am 100% open to change here if something fails. --Sir James Paul 12:55, 3 February 2007 (EST)

What is the licensing and copyright policy of this site? This needs to be established and published (probably in the footer for each article), especially if you are going to use content cut/pasted from Wikipedia. --Seven of nine 14:38, 4 February 2007 (EST)

We have been under GDFL since early January. --Sir James Paul 14:53, 4 February 2007 (EST)

It does little good if not published and indicated on each article. Is it? --Seven of nine 15:37, 4 February 2007 (EST)

I ask again, where is the licensing and copyright information published? How does an average person who happens upon an article know what the license and copyright is? This is vital, especially since some articles are copies of Wikipedia text. --Seven of nine 20:43, 4 February 2007 (EST)

Still waiting... --Seven of nine 06:50, 5 February 2007 (EST)

I can understand what you want. I'll create a policy for uploaded files. RyGuy 08:48, 5 February 2007 (EST)

More than just a policy on uploaded images, etc, this site needs to establish and publish the terms under which it publishes/licenses its own content. GDFL? Copyleft? Traditional copyright? Creative Commons? --Seven of nine 09:14, 5 February 2007 (EST)

Don't mess around with this, this is serious. You cannot reproduce Wikipedia content without following the license terms, or you'll just end up with a Wikipedian coming over here complaining about violating their copyright, and if you ignored them they'd contact the admin of editthis.info and ask him to remove it. A lot of Wikipedians go around in search of sites that violate their copyright and enforce the GFDL themselves. Archer7 10:18, 5 February 2007 (EST)

Which is precisely my point at Wikireligion:Complaints (which you thrashed for some reason). Sir James states this wiki is under some kind of license, but he neither specifies what that is, no points to any place said license is explicated. I'll start removing content myself if this isn't resolved. --Seven of nine

Don't worry about it, I'm taking care of it myself. Look at and edit my copyright policies and templates if you like! *sighs* I really need to be a sysop to do this correctly RyGuy 10:58, 5 February 2007 (EST)

Remember that the license does need to be compatible with GFDL if you want to copy from Wikipedia, not just similar. Don't start removing content yourself, it'll just cause a massive argument and lead no-where. What do you mean, I 'thrashed' your point? Never heard that before... Archer7 11:10, 5 February 2007 (EST)

Why?

Why does this site exist? Aren't you aware of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Religion ?

• Yes I am aware that wikipedia has a religion portal. If all there is to work on is articles about religion then the articles will be better. Now they are not great because we are new but we will improve. Thanks for bringing up that concern. --Sir James Paul 08:19, 4 February 2007 (EST)

I find it amusing that you think you'll actually create articles of better quality than those on Wikipedia. --Seven of nine 20:49, 4 February 2007 (EST)

Better or equal. --Sir James Paul 04:57, 5 February 2007 (EST)

We can at least try and hope for the best! RyGuy 06:39, 5 February 2007 (EST)

Copyright pages

Ok, so now there's an plethora of copyright-related pages:

• Wikireligion:Copyright: this page is empty, and should probably be deleted
• Wikireligion:Copyright policy: states that all uploaded content must have a copyright tag of some sort
• Wikireligion:Article_Copyright_Policy: suggests that any content copied from any other source is unacceptable. (only 3 words can be copied from other sites - apparently including Wikipedia)

Do these represent conensus? If so, there should be a central page that links to all relevant copyright policy pages, and a link added to either the left-side menus or the page footers. --Seven of nine 16:24, 5 February 2007 (EST)

Ok, so now I see Sir James just decided to delete all these as "not our policy" - I'm not sure who give him such authority to unilaterally decide that. They should be restored and debated, not just deleted. --Seven of nine 16:33, 5 February 2007 (EST)

As the creator of this wiki I do have the authority to decide about how things are to be run here. I am willing though to involve others in policy making. For now we will be under current policies. --Sir James Paul 16:37, 5 February 2007 (EST)

So you are declaring yourself an all-powerful dictator who can delete policies as you see fit, simply becuase you clicked "submit" to start this place? Nice. Welcome to WikiUSSR. (and to think you started the Wikipedia Reform Association or something like that) --Seven of nine 16:40, 5 February 2007 (EST)

Why did you delete my policies? I may be just some kid to you but I know that the policies I made were exactly what we needed in the first place. My article copying policy complies with a real law. Seven of Nine's suggestion of debate should be carried out. Concordia and Esparanza (which you are a member of) would support votes and other such civil solutions. Why not try one? RyGuy 07:55, 6 February 2007 (EST)

GDFL

I see that there is now a copy of the GDFL at Wikireligion:Copyrights. Couple of issues here:

1. You need a more declarative statement regarding how content here is licensed. Just stating "we are under GDFL" is insufficient. Look at how Wikipedia does it: "All text is available under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License."
2. This page is orphaned, which means it is pretty much meaningless if no one finds it. It should be linked to either in the sidebar or in the footer like in Wikipedia (see example above) so it is visible in every page view.

I'm not a total copyright/licensing expert, so there might be more issues. Perhaps Archer will chime in. --Seven of nine 16:31, 5 February 2007 (EST)

Yeah, you need to link to it in every article, putting in the footer will be fine. You also need to link back to the original article if you copy anything from Wikipedia or any other GFDL source. I'd also steal the "All text is available under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License" as well, it sounds better and safer. Archer7 11:50, 6 February 2007 (EST)

Good suggestion Archer, I'll see if I can do that, since I seem to be doing all that stuff at this time. RyGuy 12:10, 7 February 2007 (EST)

It's too bad I can't do that until I'm a sysop. :-| It's tough to be asked to help with protected things when I am not an admin. RyGuy 12:12, 7 February 2007 (EST)

Sysop Unfair

It's unfair that everyone except me was auto-sysopped. Maybe I could be sysopped, the continue like everyone else is, doing the RfA to maintain status. That would allow me to do what you want me to do here. Sound reasonable? Anyone else, please say your opinion, I'd appreciate it RyGuy 12:17, 7 February 2007 (EST)

So in other words your saying that you would keep doing an RFA just to make sure your popularity, if you will, goes down? That sounds fine. As far as I'm concerned, it looks like Sir James Paul won't edit here anymore if he is desysopped so I would express a lot of greatness if there is another sysop here. (saying I am not desysopped. For all those wondering, I am up on RFA now) Reply, about my orignal question at the top, just to make sure I understand you will continute to do an RFA just to make sure and then you can be sysopped. ForestH2 16:26, 7 February 2007 (EST)

Pretty much, yes. RyGuy 05:30, 8 February 2007 (EST)

Sounds fine. Maybe, I think I want to wait for one more opinon but otherwise I'd sysop you. Bascially, if you want to actively contribute here. One reason I did not sysop that Andonic guy, was because he didn't want to edit article namespace stuff and wanted to vanish to Wikipedia after a few days. ForestH2 08:50, 8 February 2007 (EST)

He's a fine editor, he just doesn't want every admin to be able to checkuser. He will probably come back when that's fixed (by the way, it's AndonicO) RyGuy 09:00, 8 February 2007 (EST)

I don't mean that, Wikikids was to create articles. Not to vanish after a while and not create article namespace articles. ForestH2 16:28, 8 February 2007 (EST)

Oh, I see. Is that why you closed Wikikids, because nobody was adding articles? -- RyGuy (talk • contribs) 04:46, 9 February 2007 (EST)

People were but there was just so much debate and a lot of active vandals. ForestH2 17:20, 9 February 2007 (EST)

Template:userinfo

Hello, I wanted to say that I created a signature template that we can use. My sig comes up as -- RyGuy (talk • contribs).In order to use it, just type -- {{userinfo|"username"}} into the nickname box in your preferences (change "username" to whatever your username is). Make sure you click the "Raw signature" box. -- RyGuy (talk • contribs) 09:08, 8 February 2007 (EST)

Add articles?

All this focus on admin powers and crap - no one is actually adding articles! Where is Sir James, since this is his pet project? Qwerty 14:06, 9 February 2007 (EST)

It seems another Sir James/ForestH2 project is withering away.... Qwerty 16:32, 13 February 2007 (EST)

Sir James Paul stopped editing here because he was going through stress, and we made him feel bad. We are still trying to create articles but we have some other things to discuss and worry about. ForestH2 19:09, 13 February 2007 (EST)

Tough. We all go through stress. It was his actions & abuses of power that got called out. If he can't handle that, too bad. Not really my problem. And I don't really see anyone else actually trying to contribute here. When was the last time you made an article? Qwerty 22:53, 14 February 2007 (EST)

January 31, 2007. Established Church. My last edit to a namespace article was Islam on 9 February 2007. ForestH2 08:55, 15 February 2007 (EST)

Yeah, well, your Established Church article was full of inaccuracies and misspellings, and all you did to Islam was delete some helpful external links. Great. Like I said and warned long ago, this project is slowly disappearing into the ether....... --Qwerty 13:36, 15 February 2007 (EST)

In fact, look at the link someone added above: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Religion If you really want to help create & spread information about religion, contribute at that thriving portal on Wikipedia. Today I followed some of Sir James's links to his various other websites and pet projects (not to mention his edits here), and I question whether he really was dedicated to building a neutral and balanced perspective on religion in the first place. Seems to mostly engage in prosthelyzing and trying to prove that Christianity si the only true religion or some crap like that. If that's the opinion of the founder of this project, it probably should fail. Qwerty 13:40, 15 February 2007 (EST)

Can I see his various other websites and pet projects? As far as I am concerned I am stopping editing unless someone wants to bring up a discussion that I would be happy to take part in. ForestH2 15:59, 15 February 2007 (EST)

So, like I predicted, this ain't going anywhere....

For Sir James sites, just follow the links. Start with the blog for this wiki he started, then click to his user profile, which lists his other blogs, such as Dialogues I have had on the internet, where he's posted text from a chat where he's trying to "convert" athiests, noting how "It is sad to see how stubborn these people are," and his The Word Ministry blog, where he claims to "have proven that christianity is the only true religion," that "Nonbelievers will have no exuse for them not accepting christ and will be thrown into the fire" and that "I hope to expose to people that Mormons are not christian like they say they are," etc, etc. This blog has its own website. Intolerance abounds.... Qwerty 19:01, 15 February 2007 (EST)

This needs promoting like on Meta or somewhere. Very stupid, his blogs. ForestH2 20:19, 15 February 2007 (EST)

He does show at least an element of tolerance for other religions, even if he does write that sort of thing. I don't think that's going to cause a problem here. Of course, he won't be 100% neutral (and it's difficult to find someone who is), but I'd say pretty close. He seems to be very interested in religion in general. Archer7 07:18, 16 February 2007 (EST)

Can someone contact him at the English Wikipedia, and see why he is not here? ForestH2 14:01, 16 February 2007 (EST)

Emergency

It has appeared I accidently desysopped myself and lost accsess to sysop tools and now we have several vandals, and people who want to be sysops right away so if your wondering when the next admin action will be it will be whenever Sir James Paul comes back. I have asked him to resysop someone here as quickly as possible. ForestH2 19:16, 18 February 2007 (EST)

Uh-oh, that's why we need more sysops. Who knows when James will get here. I mean, he just stopped! -- RyGuy (talk • contribs) 07:20, 23 February 2007 (EST)

Confirming Inactive Project

James, if you fail to respond in 2 days, I will declare this project inactive, which also means I won't be here. ForestH2 has already left. -- RyGuy (talk • contribs) 12:35, 5 March 2007 (EST)

It may be best to alert James on his meta page, English Wikipedia page and so on. BTW, I am a sockpuppet of ForestH2, I didn't want to rebuild up my main account. Greg 18:31, 5 March 2007 (EST)

Ok, I did. You know, he edited WP for the first time since february 13^th yesterday, what's up with that? I want to contribute here, but I just can't. -- RyGuy (talk • contribs) 15:28, 6 March 2007 (EST)

• Yeah. Lets work on this together. --Sir James Paul 11:31, 7 March 2007 (EST)

Great - this project is being run by a 13-year old Christian zealot, an 11-year old lego lover, and a known sockpuppeter banned from Wikipedia. Best of luck! JesusFreak 15:29, 8 March 2007 (EST)

Isn't that great leadership!(By the way I am now 14 :). --Sir James Paul 20:17, 8 March 2007 (EST)

JesusFreak, you should also know that I haven't done anything that would harm this wiki. I am not trying to be mean, but I seem to have a slightly better history here than James. I am just pointing out the facts here. -- RyGuy (talk • contribs) 07:24, 9 March 2007 (EST)