Editing Talk:Rules

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=Current Proposals=

==After A Fault Has Been Created==

 (No original text - Addition to current rules)

'''Addition (Alternative 1.):'''
* If the Fault caused discs to move fully outside the boundary circle without any other fault directly affecting those discs, those discs are left where they landed and the action disc is returned to the player's stack.

'''Alternative 2.:'''
* If the Fault caused discs to move fully outside the boundary circle without any other fault directly affecting those discs, those discs and the action disc are returned to the player's stack.

'''Alternative 3.:'''
* If the fault caused discs to move fully outside the boundary circle without any other fault directly affecting those discs, those discs must be captured by the opponent as you would for a tower.

'''Gameplay effects:'''

This should clarify a situation, but otherwise have no other affect on gameplay.

'''Notes:'''

Unfortunately, massive work needs to be done on the faults section and this is part of it. I have included multiple alternatives because I cannot find an answer to this problem anywhere. My group of players have been playing assuming the first alternative.

My real concern regarding the rules is that essentially the gameplay breaks down into two things. Playing a piece, and faulting. The playing a piece part can be simplified. The faulting part needs to be made more detailed (or at least more definitive).

After getting an answer to how this should be resolved I shall attempt to find a theme underlying all the fault rulings so hopefully they can be made easier to understand. If perhaps one ruling is off, then we should look into changing it to make the game simpler and easier to learn. Good rules should be consistant with all other rules as well as coherent.


===Comments===

''Yeah, the out of bounds fault was what lead me to propose the "Well Defined Turn". I read that out of bounds pieces are returned to the faulting players stack. So really, your turn is NOT over after a fault, as you still have work to do in removing the out of bounds piece. I had a situation where removing an out of bounds leaning piece caused another leaner to move out of bounds. I ruled that the second out of bounds piece must also be taken by the faulting player. I have read that the turn is really broken up in to two parts... Capture towers and play standing piece. I think there is really an extra part on the end for retriving out of bounds pieces. Check out the Well Defined Turn under rules variants for more info.''--[[User:Dancingshadow|Dancingshadow]] 11:20, 30 January 2006 (PST)
 
Other than that, most other rules ambiguities can be resolved by careful consideration of the action piece (or pieces in the case of a tower.) In short: after a fault, the action piece should not be left lying or leaning on the board. See topics on scoring or resolving the action piece elsewhere in this wiki.   Sadly this is contray to some of the stuff posted by temple games people on the fourm. 
 
http://forums.templegames.com/showthread.php?t=120  

Adhearance to temple rules also creates a timing problem where you have to know when the fault occoured and if the action piece was dropped before or after it (or during ??). (In which case if I see a fault starting I would plunk my action piece down as a foundation. Then an argument would start over whether I dropped it before or after the fault.) 

I play using the following rules variants and have not encountered a problem:
*Resolving the Action Piece  (I moved this to varients sience its not 'official')
*Dropped action piece    (strictly to stop cheap impossible captures - almost never acctually used in the game)
*The Well Defined Turn
*Modified method of ending the game
--[[User:Dancingshadow|Dancingshadow]] 11:37, 30 January 2006 (PST)

=Old Proposals=