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This is to fix the use of the word turn and the fact that the Judge has been abolished.
I'll tell you right now that I'm not going to change consensus, since we're trying to obtain a consensus on ever rule that we pass anyway. And for some reason I don't think anyone really doesn't "know" what the term consensus means and all the debate is "well some yahoo might come along and abuse it." If you think rule 212 as it stands is better then how I've rewritten it then vote it down, but don't vote it down because you're going to argue obsure difinitions. The bottom line is: If the rules are changed so that further play is impossible, or if the legality of a move cannot be determined with finality, or if by (a general agreement or majority of opinion i.e.)consensus not overruled, a move appears equally legal and illegal, then the player with the most points is the winner.
So taken in context the word consensus doesn't pose any of the questionable content that is really being debated. I mean the word Quorum isn't defined in the ruleset and only got one line of debate with no retort. So does anyone disagress that we don't want a general agreement and or majority of opinion to decide if a rule change is both legal and illegal?
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- I am uncomfortable with the term consensus since it is not officially defined in the ruleset. Would it be equivalent to unaminous consent as defined in rule 310? I am concerned that some yahoo might try to dissent in order to deadlock the game. Perhaps a supermajority would suffice, or an even more restrictive 9/10ths overwhelming majority. I might just be paranoid though. --Simulacrum 03:27, 15 November 2006 (EST)
- {con‧sen‧sus –noun, plural -sus‧es. 1. majority of opinion: The consensus of the group was that they should meet twice a month. 2. general agreement or concord; harmony.} I choose this wording since in its current form rule 306 part two says, with more words, you need a concensus to deem a proposed rule invalid. --Dayd 10:16, 15 November 2006 (EST)
- I agree with Sim - "Consensus" is kind of a wishy-washy word. "Majority of opinion" is the Dictionary.com primary meaning, but it also lists "general agreement or concord; harmony" as a secondary definition. Along with their house definition, Dictionary.com lists definitions from the American Heritage Dictionary and from WordNet.com, the former: "An opinion or position reached by a group as a whole," and the latter: "agreement in the judgment or opinion reached by a group as a whole." All of these definitions (other than the Dictionary.com primary definition) seem to indicate a kind of inexact unanimity rather than a simple majority. To my way of thinking, "consensus" is kind of "this is what the group agreed on," not an exact measure like plurality, majority, supermajority, or unanimity. I would prefer a more exact wording in the rule. Applejuicefool 16:43, 15 November 2006 (EST)
- 306 never uses the word "consensus" nor does it imply consensus is necessary to declare a proposal invalid. It basically states that an accusation of invalidity has to be voted on, with the same voting rules as rule change proposals. Applejuicefool 16:48, 15 November 2006 (EST)
- Can't we just change "concensus" to "overwhelming majority"? --Shivan 17:27, 16 November 2006 (EST)
- Still inexact! What is "overwhelming?" 90%? 75%? 55%? What? Applejuicefool 19:48, 16 November 2006 (EST)
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