The Law of Averages

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[14:09] Stan: My purpose, Lkeas, is to explore what appears to be an incongruency in the information that has been gathered. Nothing more.

[14:09] * Brink yells at Mobuis..... "You nut.... last time you fell... just don't fall"

[14:10] Rif: You are an analog. You are the result of analogs. Everything is an analog right down to the point of 'I will or won't create'. However, people won't commonly define themselves as an analog because they like to believe they are some superior main branch.

[14:10] * Brink smiles at Shrouded... "If you were not my friend what purpose did you have for helping me then...."

[14:10] * Lkeas chuckles. "I'm afraid it's more than just information, Stan... we've had first-hand experience with analogs here."

[14:10] * Shrouded is not near Brink

[14:11] Jeice: Indeed. Whos is the one that we should all comply to? You want to prune reality, which single branch shall we choose?

[14:11] Stan: The point, Lkeas, was that you shouldn't have, because they shouldn't exist.

[14:11] * Lkeas throws her hands in the air in exasperation. "I can't change fact! It happened, they exist."

[14:11] Jeice: Will our branch be uncreated, or do you suggest uncreating all others?!

[14:11] Stan: And logic says that they shouldn't.

[14:11] Shrouded: Don't worry about it Lkeas.

[14:11] * Wrakigink pulls out a scroll "Found it!"

[14:11] Stan: But this has told me what I needed to know.

[14:12] Lkeas: What did you need to know?

[14:12] Rif: Stan, if your math quiz was 2+2=? and your wrote 4. What would you expect?

[14:12] * Brink takes wolf form and begins to stretch.... he yawns and goes toward the group seeing little reason to stay in his corner

[14:12] * Wrakigink tosses it at Stan "this may help." ( (Link: [1])[2] )

[14:12] Stan: I'll tell Harken to stick his conspiracy theories in his ear and stop questioning the choices of gods.

[14:12] * Lkeas chuckles. "What conspiracy theory?"

[14:12] Stan: Now, where'd I put my exit?

[14:12] * Rif laughs a little, "Why doesn't Harken come?"

[14:13] Stan: Oh, something about Lorithia's non-intervention thing.

[14:13] Stan: Nothing anyone but he would take seriously.

[14:13] Lkeas: Hmm?

[14:13] Wrakigink: Stan

[14:13] Wrakigink: I suggest your read the scroll

[14:13] Lkeas: What about her non-intervention has to do with analogs?

[14:13] Jeice: He believed that Lorithia created analogs to force existance of a reality that suited her purposes?

[14:13] Stan: Free will, Lkeas. Free will.

[14:13] Brink: me yawns as he reaches the group and stretches then he pays attention

[14:13] Stan: That was the point of this whole conversation.

[14:13] Brink: */me

[14:14] Lkeas: So because Lorithia created free will, and analogs exist, you think something's amiss?

[14:14] Wrakigink: Stan

[14:14] Wrakigink: Read the scroll It will help about Analogs.

[14:14] Jeice: Last time I checked, I think even Lorithia had analogs...

[14:14] * Stan laughs, still looking for something. "Lorithia didn't create free will, but that's the basic idea."

[14:14] Stan: Aha!

[14:14] *** Stan has left #darkabode.

[14:14] * Rif laughs at the irony of Stan's departure, "You know, there's a Stan that chose not to leave somewhere out there."

[14:15] Wrakigink: Aye.

[14:15] * Brink yawns and stretches yet again and looks on in wonder of the conversation

[14:15] * Wrakigink picks up the scroll and reads it himself.

[14:15] *** Formerly_Somebody has joined #darkabode.

[14:15] Formerly_Somebody: Haha, found it on my first try again.

[14:15] * Lkeas shakes her head. "I don't know what he figured out from talking to us.."

[14:16] Wrakigink: ((nick Stan))

[14:16] Jeice: I'm almost think he saw our side of the argument.

[14:16] Formerly_Somebody: ...dangit. Gotta go again. This is becoming a nuisance.

[14:16] Jeice: Perhaps he wasn't sure which to believe, so he argued on the side of the one that wanted to know.

[14:16] Formerly_Somebody: Heh. Didn't even have time to say "hi" before I leave. This just beats all.

[14:17] Lkeas: Perhaps.

[14:17] *** Formerly_Somebody has left #darkabode.

[14:17] * Mobuis takes a sitting position on the ceiling, resting his eyes.

[14:17] * Rif plops onto the floor. "Oh what fun."

[14:17] * Brink yawns and watches the conversation continue

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[14:18] Brink: friends.... did he say he was asking...

[14:18] Brink: if not he could just be explaining something to us

[14:18] *** Jeice has signed off IRC (NickServ (GHOST command used by Jeice_)).

[14:19] *** Jeice_ is now known as Jeice.

[14:19] *** Mode change "+ao Jeice Jeice" for channel #darkabode by Reality.

[14:19] * Mellisa , uninterested by the current converation, begins to stare at Mobuis sitting on the ceiling.

[14:20] * Lkeas looks over at Brink. "Do you think what he said was true? That analogs should not exist?"

[14:20] Mellisa: (( Conversation* ))

[14:20] * Mobuis doesn't notice the stare.

[14:20] * Brink ponders for a second "I truly don't know...."

[14:20] Shrouded: Harken's theory is correct.

[14:21] Shrouded: Analogs are theoretically being forced into a path in thier other choosing it.

[14:21] Lkeas: Not really forcing, no.

[14:21] Shrouded: Do they have a choice?

[14:21] Elaith: I disagree. They make choices too.

[14:21] Lkeas: The analog has the same choice as the original.

[14:21] Shrouded: They make choices, sure.

[14:21] Shrouded: But their birth is no choice.

[14:21] * Brink yawns as the conversation starts again

[14:21] Elaith: And they may choose the same thing or something different.

[14:21] Lkeas: It just happens that if they make the same choice, they end up not needing to exist separately.

[14:22] Lkeas: Hence an analog is not made.

[14:22] Shrouded: Hm.

[14:22] Shrouded: However, every moment we stand, we create INFINATE analogs.

[14:22] * Brink stretches then takes half wolf form

[14:22] Shrouded: For within every second is 1000 milliseconds, and so on.

[14:23] Brink: so for every choice we make we make an anaolog

[14:23] Jeice: Let's say you make a pot, but you make it in a way that it can change its shape. Is making its original form violating free will?

[14:23] * Rif looks at Lkeas with a foggy glance, "But wouldn't that be leading to analogs already existing before the choice?" He then turns to Shrouded, "Yes, but the choice is so small that more often than not, recoherence occurs."

[14:23] * Wrakigink places the scroll into the archive

[14:23] Lkeas: Why would the analog exist before the choice?

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[14:24] Shrouded: It seems to be a theory that will remain a theory.

[14:24] Elaith: The nature of difference is in the choice itself in my opinion.

[14:24] Shrouded: You cannot prove such...

[14:24] Rif: You just said that both the analog and main branch made a choice. I always saw the choice as being the analog's birth.

[14:24] Shrouded: It vexes me.

[14:24] * Brink sighs "This is confusing... i've read some confusing books and scrolls but man...."

[14:26] * Lkeas sighs as well. "I don't attempt to pretend to understand all of it either. I just know that I've met analogs of other people, as well as myself.."

[14:26] Shrouded: I've met my own analog.

[14:26] * Mobuis jumps down from the ceiling. He procedes to walk out of the Abode and into the forest, unintrested by the conversation.

[14:26] Shrouded: He wasn't a nice person.

[14:27] Jeice: I've never met an analog of mine...

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[14:30] Shrouded: I suppose you'd want to.

[14:30] Shrouded: I was disappointed when I saw mine.

[14:30] * Wrakigink grabs a cup and fills it with water but doesnt pay attention and it over flows "oops."

[14:30] * Wrakigink looks around for something to clean it up

[14:31] * Lkeas shudders. "I was... shocked when I met mine.."

[14:31] Shrouded: When did you meet yours?

[14:31] * Rif puffs his chest confidently. "Bah, I'm the best out of all my analogs!"

[14:31] Shrouded: ( oops )

[14:31] * Lkeas turns to Shrouded. "When we infiltrated NOVA's headquarters to rescue her."

[14:31] Shrouded: Hm.

[14:31] Brink: ((I'll be in my corner... i gots to go for a while))

[14:31] Shrouded: I can't seem to remember that.

[14:32] Shrouded: Odd.

[14:32] Shrouded: What happened after that?

[14:32] Lkeas: Well, we converged with Falerin's help.

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[14:33] * Mellisa , noticing Mobuis movements, quickly heads out of the Abode and off in the direct he went.

[14:33] *** Kazuma has signed off IRC (Connection reset by peer).

[14:33] *** Romulus777 is now known as Kazuma.

[14:34] Shrouded: Hm.

[14:34] Shrouded: Where was NOVA's headquarters?

[14:34] Shrouded: Manhatten?

[14:35] * Lkeas shakes her head. "Chicago."

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[14:35] *** Mode change "+o Ness" for channel #darkabode by Reality.

[14:35] Shrouded: Chicago?

[14:36] * Kazuma looks at the bookshelf for a book

[14:37] * Elaith wishes Dan were here with his infinite wisdom of Chicago terrain.

[14:37] Lkeas: Manhattan was where we met with Galrick. But NOVA was in Chicago.

[14:37] Shrouded: Yes, Galrick...

[14:37] Shrouded: The Cafe Figaro...

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[14:37] *** Mode change "+v Zeltan" for channel #darkabode by Reality.

[14:38] Amilara: I have heard similiar nonsense before

[14:38] Lkeas: Nonsense?

[14:38] Shrouded: Welcome back, Amilara.

[14:38] *** Zeltan is now known as Harkel.

[14:38] Lkeas: About which, analogs, or NOVA?

[14:38] Amilara: Analogs

[14:38] Shrouded: What is the answer?

[14:38] Shrouded: Do you know?

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[14:39] Rif: Shrouded, what's the question?

[14:39] Amilara: The absurd idea that analogs by nature eliminate free will is preposterous... because the Multiverse adheres to the Law of Averages

[14:41] ZLOK: I still don't quite understand why most gods eliminate their analogs.

[14:41] Amilara: Most actions will have a much more common statistical choice.

[14:41] Amilara: And just because a choice is possible does not mean there exists ANY universe where that choice exists....

[14:41] ZLOK: Here's a fun thought, though. If gods are indeed above mortal man, and The'Galin was once a mortal man, gods should be above The'Galin, and hence Falerin, our benefactor is either against us, or not a god. In either case, a liar.

[14:42] * Lkeas picks at a fingernail idly. "The argument was presented that because somewhere in the multiverse all choices are taken, it is as though one has no say in what choice they make."

[14:42] Amilara: For instance there exists a logically possibly that for ANY given second you will murder someone at random just for no reason whatsover

[14:42] Lkeas: Hmm.

[14:42] Amilara: However the fact that such a thing is possible does not mean it is at all consistent with you person....

[14:43] Amilara: Or in fact that there is a new reality for each potential victim.

[14:43] Amilara: Dechorence. Especially persistent decoherence requires a DEFINING choice.

[14:43] Amilara: And not just for the individual.

[14:43] Rif: So analogs aren't always created. Are they created at the moment of choice or have they always existed and just differ at the moment of choice?

[14:43] Amilara: For the reality itself.'

[14:44] Amilara: Defining choices for the individual and choices that do not have any lasting merit or importance lead to recoherence

[14:44] ZLOK: I believe analogs exists for a different reason.

[14:44] ZLOK: Because they do not coexist with what I have learned about our "reality" so far.

[14:45] ZLOK: That whatever choice you have, you have already made, by the same reason you will make it now.

[14:45] Amilara: That may be true in some cases.... however were that truth.. the second their experience did mesh with our reality recoherence would be forced

[14:45] Amilara: Such things do not in fact occur

[14:46] Amilara: Rechorence does not in fact seem to happen in an orderly or systematic way....

[14:46] Amilara: After all individuals can recohere without their respective realities doing so

[14:46] * Shrouded listens idly

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[14:46] Amilara: As to why gods engage in elimination of analogs. It is firstly not even entirely volitional.

[14:47] Amilara: The personality of a God is generally so strong and fixed that variant analogs rarely exist to begin with.

[14:47] *** Mobuis has signed off IRC (Ping timeout).

[14:48] Amilara: When they emerge they are frequently and often recohered almost immediately due to the overwhelming nature of the dominant personality....

[14:48] Amilara: Gods are also already used to multipresence. Existing in multiple planes simultaneously is natural

[14:48] Lkeas: That makes sense.

[14:49] *** Rif has signed off IRC (Supressed: Getting mugged, be back tomorrow.).

[14:49] *** Harkel has signed off IRC (Interred: Erm....school time).

[14:49] Kazuma: but they can't have multiple apperences in the same area.

[14:49] *** Korban[away] is now known as Korban.

[14:49] Amilara: And finally.. in those rare cases that a Deities analog is substantially and obviosuly different enough that they remain discrete the gods normally will never come in contact as their planes are sufficently segregate. If in fact they DO come in contact it is likely because one or the other is wishing to cause harm

[14:49] Amilara: Hence leading to a game where the Net effect is effective elimination of ones analogs.

[14:49] * Lkeas scowls. "Yeah, we've seen that happen too.."

[14:50] Legault: Heh, quite.

[14:50] Lkeas: Amilara... how will you be entering the fight? You are hiding here so you are not uncreated, but once you join the battle and they see you, won't they just do what you are fearing now?

[14:51] Amilara: I wont be.

[14:51] Amilara: Falerin I am never again to return to LORE

[14:51] Korban: ((?))

[14:51] Amilara: he says rather

[14:51] Lkeas: You... won't? Are you to be confined here for the rest of your days, then?

[14:52] Amilara: Which is fine. as I have no intention of ever returning to LORE.

[14:52] Amilara: LORE is not the world of my Birth. I have never even been to LORE.

[14:52] Wrakigink: Its quite a nice place.

[14:52] Amilara: It is the world of my People's origins, but it holds no meaning for me.

[14:52] Wrakigink: once you get past the monsters trying to kill you.

[14:52] Lkeas: But you do intend to return to the DeadLand? To kill your father, I mean.

[14:52] Amilara: The world that IS of my origin is no place I want to live.

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[14:53] ZLOK: "No place like home."

[14:53] Amilara: When did I say I intended to hunt down and kill my father?

[14:53] Jeice: I don't think you did.

[14:53] Amilara: I do not. I shall avoid my father like the plague that he is....

[14:53] Jeice: I think it was assumed.

[14:53] Amilara: Wrongly.

[14:53] * Lkeas shakes her head. "I apologize, I misread the record."

[14:53] Shrouded: Assumptions are bad things here.

[14:53] Amilara: I did say that had I the opportunity to kill my father I would do so in a minute

[14:54] * Mobuis yawns from the tree he is sitting by, taking a look around.

[14:54] Amilara: I do not anticipate the opportunity. Nor do I plan to seek it

[14:54] Lkeas: I see.

[14:54] Amilara: First of all I am not remotely his equal

[14:54] Amilara: He is backed by the force of the uncreator. I serve no lord.

[14:55] Korban: Ah indeed that would be difficult to match.

[14:55] Amilara: Secondly he has far more vast knowledge then I do....

[14:55] Amilara: My father would kill me in a blink of an eye

[14:55] * Mobuis stands up and takes a glance back before heading farther away from the abode.

[14:55] Amilara: Seeking him to TRY to create an opportunity is suicide

[14:55] Amilara: One thing that individuals in my position never lightly do is commit suicide

[14:56] * Mellisa sighs and continues following Mobuis.

[14:56] * Lkeas nods. "Well... will you be alright living here in the forest? Is there anything we can do for you?"

[14:56] Amilara: I represent an unrepresented minority that none shall take up in my absence. I also have come to value all life regardless of form extensively. The last thing I wish to do is sacrafice it. Particualarly not my own

[14:56] * Korban looks to Amilara,wondering if he may be of use.

[14:57] Amilara: My needs are simple and this place has been a paradise. It is entirely responsive to me.

[14:57] Korban: Ah that's wonderful to hear.

[14:57] Amilara: I monitor you solely because I have interest albeit detached interest in what happens to you and those you battle.

[14:58] * Mobuis notices he is being followed and turns around to face who ever it is.

[14:58] Amilara: For my own part. The agreement with Falerin is that in exchange for his hospitality I provide information, observation, and predictions.

[14:58] * Lkeas grins. "I like that agreement."

[14:58] *** Kazuma is now known as Shroided.

[14:58] Korban: A fare trade I suppose.

[14:59] Amilara: And that I defend his station on this world from the Devourer should he come... or from "OTHERS" should they act...