Possession and Passion

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[14:42] *** TruthSeeker has joined #755.

[14:42] bluemanrocks: Seeker

[14:42] KickKat: It's the moment when everything happens

[14:43] Fulcan: Seeker...

[14:43] Leo: Seeker...

[14:43] Fulcan: I apologize for the message I sent you...

[14:43] Mysterious_Player: whoa

[14:43] Fulcan: I just wanted desperatley to get entangled into the storyline...

[14:43] TruthSeeker: You have been forgiven already

[14:43] Fulcan: And I ment no harm...

[14:43] Reven: Hello Seeker...

[14:43] Fulcan: I apologize...

[14:43] Reven: Greetings this eventing.

[14:43] TruthSeeker: I attempted to in fact invite you to my friends but you are set up to disallow that

[14:43] * TruthSeeker turns

[14:43] Reven: Herald was wishing to talk to you with us.

[14:43] TruthSeeker: He is a man of strong opinions

[14:44] Reven: And I am interested to see if you bring us any new clues that you feel safe to reveal...

[14:44] * Durroth bows to truthseeker

[14:44] bluemanrocks: ...

[14:44] * Reven doesn't...

[14:44] Fulcan: There is no need to bow...

[14:44] Durroth: good evening seeker

[14:44] Reven: As well as perhaps ask some questions to see what I can discover...

[14:44] Fulcan: He is mortal as we are...

[14:44] Reven: What is Truth, Seeker?

[14:44] Reven: No wait...

[14:45] * Reven checks notes...

[14:45] TruthSeeker: A lie

[14:45] Reven: A lie?

[14:45] Mysterious_Player: so whats Lies?

[14:45] Fulcan: Truth is lies and Lies is truth?

[14:45] Durroth: -_- havent we been over this? Truth is the set of statements widely considered correct by the universe.

[14:45] TruthSeeker: One is two and two are one....

[14:45] Mysterious_Player: oh

[14:45] Mysterious_Player: I get it now

[14:45] Reven: They are the same being... hmm...

[14:45] Durroth: And I am winter born

[14:46] Mysterious_Player: no, the same progam

[14:46] Fulcan: Seeker, does what lie in the Vault have anything to do with Truth or Lies?

[14:46] Reven: A program can be a being...

[14:46] Mysterious_Player: oh

[14:46] Herald_of_Armistice: But a program can be one in the same.

[14:46] TruthSeeker: Truth is a Faceless

[14:46] TruthSeeker: that means taht Truth is in fact a being....

[14:47] Reven: I see...

[14:47] Mysterious_Player: oh

[14:47] TruthSeeker: but that does not mean that he is not a program

[14:47] Fulcan: Have you any idea what the "clock" in the vault is?

[14:47] Durroth: Transient guests are we.

[14:47] Mysterious_Player: then what of people say he was a programe?

[14:47] bluemanrocks: Is there another Truth that is a program?

[14:47] TruthSeeker: The countdown

[14:47] Reven: There can be a program for Truth...

[14:47] Mysterious_Player: till?

[14:47] Fulcan: The countdown to what?

[14:47] Reven: And the faceless called Truth...

[14:47] Reven: It is simple, Mysterious_Player.

[14:48] Mysterious_Player: dooms day?

[14:48] Durroth: the countdown to boogy

[14:48] Reven: Technology is not something I am native to but it comes easily enough...

[14:48] TruthSeeker: Some would say so

[14:48] bluemanrocks: Does the vault/clock/eternal play a prominent role in all of this?

[14:48] Count_Krisarius: So other than being opinionated, is there anything to be noted about Herald of Armistice?

[14:48] Mysterious_Player: but what if you have Epheels gift?

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[14:48] TruthSeeker: The Eternal is of an ancient race.. and of a new one

[14:49] Fulcan: Has anybody been noticing Aegis is growing, or am I just nuts...?

[14:49] Mysterious_Player: growing?

[14:49] Mysterious_Player: the shild?

[14:49] Fulcan: Getting larger in size

[14:49] Fulcan: Yes, the sheild

[14:49] Reven: This is getting Chaotic...

[14:49] TruthSeeker: The bringer of the Ceasefire and I have conversed outside the spectrum of this arena

[14:49] Marrin: Has it ever not been Reven.

[14:49] Durroth: Aegis was the shield of zeus or somesuch in greek myth I believe

[14:50] Reven: But for my purposes I request a temporary order that we can talk to the Seeker...

[14:50] Reven: TruthSeeker, why do you cal yourself as such?

[14:50] Fulcan: No,

[14:50] bluemanrocks: The glow of it is getting larger and faster

[14:50] Reven: If you know the Truth but cannot fully reveal it?

[14:50] Fulcan: That was the pathos series sheilds

[14:50] TruthSeeker: You assume that seeker means I seek to find it

[14:50] Durroth: no fulcan, thats completely different

[14:50] * Reven frowns at the people rapidly losing the topic.

[14:50] Lkeas: guys, while the Seeker is here perhaps we can limit our comments?

[14:50] TruthSeeker: That is not what i seek to do with it

[14:50] Reven: What do you seek to do with the Truth?

[14:50] Marrin: Seeker of truth... also someone who brings the truth to others, am I correct?

[14:51] Reven: Marrin, let them answer...

[14:51] TruthSeeker: Expose it under the glare of a million suns

[14:51] Reven: Correct though you were...

[14:51] bluemanrocks: Ah

[14:51] TruthSeeker: Look at my profile image....

[14:51] TruthSeeker: What is occuring within it

[14:51] Reven: It is best to not interfere with discussion by answering for someone...

[14:51] Fulcan: We need 1000000 players to have undead axes of the SUN!

[14:51] TruthSeeker: Therein you will find the answer

[14:51] Lkeas: we had discussed this with Falerin a while back

[14:51] Lkeas: a faceless being destroyed by light?

[14:51] bluemanrocks: Yep

[14:51] TruthSeeker: Destroyed?

[14:51] TruthSeeker: Nay....

[14:51] bluemanrocks: No

[14:51] Lkeas: or eroded?

[14:52] Marrin: Contained? or brought forth?

[14:52] TruthSeeker: Exposed, the illusion eroded.. aye

[14:52] Lkeas: so a faceless is an illusion?

[14:52] TruthSeeker: A faceless combined with his host is....

[14:52] TruthSeeker: I am a danger to the Faceless....

[14:52] TruthSeeker: I have a complete list

[14:53] Lkeas: that would be dangerous information indeed

[14:53] bluemanrocks: Of...

[14:53] Herald_of_Armistice: Of the avatars.

[14:53] bluemanrocks: Ah

[14:53] bluemanrocks: Thought so...

[14:53] Durroth: of those who are bound to a faceless.

[14:53] TruthSeeker: And no... I will not give you said list

[14:53] Lkeas: but why do the faceless seek to hide the identity of their avatars?

[14:53] TruthSeeker: not even by misdirection

[14:53] TruthSeeker: Such would not be benefitial to any

[14:54] Durroth: how not?

[14:54] TruthSeeker: Least of all them

[14:54] * TruthSeeker turns to Lkeas

[14:54] bluemanrocks: ...

[14:54] TruthSeeker: If I were to tell you Lkeas... that you were a faceless

[14:54] TruthSeeker: that for the past 20 years they have controlled you

[14:54] bluemanrocks: .

[14:54] bluemanrocks: .

[14:54] bluemanrocks: .

[14:54] bluemanrocks: .

[14:54] bluemanrocks: .

[14:54] Reven: bluemanrocks...

[14:54] Marrin: Great... all this fun and i have a midterm... Lkeas, do me a favor and find out what i need...

[14:54] TruthSeeker: How would you react?

[14:54] Reven: Shut the hell up...

[14:54] *** Marrin has signed off IRC (Distracted: Jumps out the window after bursting into flames).

[14:55] TruthSeeker: How would you respond?

[14:55] Durroth: If the list is so dangerous, why do you keep it?

[14:55] Durroth: why not destroy it?

[14:55] Lkeas: i would be a bit confused...

[14:55] Reven: The Truth should not be destroyed...

[14:55] TruthSeeker: Knowledge cannot be unlearned... like skills can be untrained.....

[14:55] TruthSeeker: What I know is within.... The list is not on paper

[14:55] TruthSeeker: but within my mind

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[14:56] RJK94: Hiyas!

[14:56] bluemanrocks: ...

[14:56] bluemanrocks: Shhhhh...

[14:56] Fulcan: Paper cannot be trusted should it come into the possesion of one who is untrusted

[14:56] TruthSeeker: Is it not safe to assume that you would also perhaps be angry

[14:56] Lkeas: if i WERE being controlled by a faceless... what does it mean? what would be the purpose of the faceless in controlling me?

[14:56] Leo: I'm sorry for you, Seeker. You have such a large burden.

[14:56] TruthSeeker: To learn that you have been manipulated.....

[14:56] Lkeas: that depends on what i was manipulated for

[14:56] TruthSeeker: Perhaps

[14:56] Lkeas: that is the question

[14:56] Lkeas: what is the purpose of the manipulation?

[14:56] RJK94: Hey, can someone fill me in on when I was gone for a couple of days?

[14:56] TruthSeeker: But some.. many even would not like to know they were violated at all

[14:56] Herald_of_Armistice: Would not being manipulated in general bother you?

[14:56] Lkeas: what are the faceless causing avatars to do?

[14:57] TruthSeeker: Even if the relationship is symbiotic

[14:57] Fulcan: TruthSeeker, contemplate this:

[14:57] TruthSeeker: The concept of manipulation is a spirtitual anathema

[14:57] TruthSeeker: They would react against...

[14:57] Fulcan: Think of Drakel Destroyers, who willingly allow themselve to be controlled, at the safety of the Mage...

[14:57] TruthSeeker: Perhaps gain enough strength in knowing to Oust the beings from within

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[14:57] Fulcan: Is this the same case as the Faceless, possibly?

[14:57] Lkeas: that would not be in the faceless' interests, i see.

[14:57] TruthSeeker: That might be good... but it would undoubtedly cause fractiousness.... Chaos.....

[14:57] TruthSeeker: Disorder....

[14:57] TruthSeeker: Disarray

[14:58] Fulcan: Chaos isn't necessarily bad...

[14:58] TruthSeeker: Which.... would lead to many things none good for any

[14:58] Lkeas: elements of uncreation?

[14:58] Reven: Choas....

[14:58] Reven: Chaos...

[14:58] Fulcan: Anyone here beat Dirge of Cerberus?

[14:58] Reven: Can be good...

[14:58] * TruthSeeker turns to Reven

[14:58] Reven: If it interferes with the controlled Chaos of The'Galin...

[14:58] Fulcan: Don't all answer at once...

[14:58] TruthSeeker: You sir persist under a delusion... that Chaos even exists

[14:59] Fulcan: Do you have proof that it does not?

[14:59] Reven: It is no force... but do you mean to tell me that when a place is thrown into pandemonium... it is not chaotic?

[14:59] TruthSeeker: There is no Chaos.... only different types of order... the orderedness of which is beyond the capacity of most to observe

[14:59] Reven: There is always order in Chaos... all know that...

[14:59] TruthSeeker: Even in pandemonium certain elements work in the way they are created to behave

[14:59] Fulcan: Heh, chaos is a relative term for a state of being

[14:59] Herald_of_Armistice: Order, in other words, is the natural state of all things.

[14:59] TruthSeeker: Nothing works with out order

[15:00] Fulcan: Frantic+Terrible=Chaos

[15:00] TruthSeeker: Order and Chaos therefore are not opposites

[15:00] Reven: Disordered as well...

[15:00] Fulcan: Such as Lust+possession=love

[15:00] TruthSeeker: Chaos is but a shade of Order

[15:00] Reven: They are not opposites.. not quite...

[15:00] Lkeas: hmm. what does nova mean when they talk about "salvation?" salvation from what? chaotic order?

[15:00] * TruthSeeker looks at Herald of Armistice.

[15:00] Reven: Consider something chaotic...

[15:01] Reven: But... this is irrelevant...

[15:01] Reven: I wish to hear your own opinions...

[15:01] Herald_of_Armistice: Yes?

[15:01] Reven: On relevant issues...

[15:01] bluemanrocks: ...

[15:01] Fulcan: So he is here...

[15:01] TruthSeeker: I used the term Disarray

[15:01] TruthSeeker: That is a better selection here

[15:01] TruthSeeker: Disarray indicates that nothing acts with cohesion

[15:01] TruthSeeker: Each pulls in its own direction

[15:02] TruthSeeker: It becomes impossible to progress

[15:02] Reven: Correct... of a sort...

[15:02] * Fulcan is confuzzled

[15:02] TruthSeeker: Disarray... is a state that serves The'galin quite well

[15:02] TruthSeeker: For an army in Disarray offers little protection

[15:02] bluemanrocks: ...

[15:02] Lkeas: yes... maxwell has said that we must band together to solve this

[15:02] Reven: Indeed... on a short term... but then he ends it.

[15:02] Fulcan: Is the 'galin plural or singular, and what does the ' represent?

[15:02] Reven: By bringing the world to nothing... he ends all disarray...

[15:03] TruthSeeker: A people in disarray offers little resistance

[15:03] Herald_of_Armistice: Ah, but Seeker, armies by nature aren't in disarray.

[15:03] Reven: And I fight for temporary LACK of disarray... that the ultimate end of it all might not come to pass.

[15:03] TruthSeeker: And then he reorders things.... according to his command

[15:03] TruthSeeker: An army functioning correctly Herald_of_Armistice is indeed not in disorder

[15:03] Lkeas: but how can we unify if we know not what we are unifying against? and how can we function correctly if we do not know our orders?

[15:03] Herald_of_Armistice: An army in disarray ceases to be an army.

[15:04] TruthSeeker: But an army with no morale.... will often desert or stage coup-de-etat

[15:04] bluemanrocks: They call that a militia

[15:04] TruthSeeker: And yes they may indeed cease to be an army...

[15:04] TruthSeeker: But I assure you that The'galin never ceases to have his

[15:04] Fulcan: I don't understand any of this...

[15:04] Reven: Indeed...

[15:05] TruthSeeker: Do you need to?

[15:05] Fulcan: I wish Maxwell were here to translate this into human-comprehensable English..

[15:05] Reven: It is easily understandable...

[15:05] Fulcan: It would help if i knew what you talk about

[15:05] Lkeas: Seeker, why do you oppose NOVA? or do you?

[15:05] TruthSeeker: The question was asked merely why I would not reveal the list I have,

[15:05] Fulcan: Why would you not?

[15:05] Reven: I fight now for order in the short term... to fight against the end of all chaos... the end of all Disarray... rhat is the success of The'Galin.

[15:05] TruthSeeker: And the answer is that revealing the list would only serve The'galin

[15:05] TruthSeeker: And would harm many others

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[15:05] Fulcan: what is the 'glain?/

[15:05] Reven: That that I'm here at all other than by accident.

[15:06] Mysterious_Player: the uncreator

[15:06] * TruthSeeker shakes his head

[15:06] TruthSeeker: it is apparent that you are confused

[15:06] TruthSeeker: The'Galin is a name

[15:06] * Fulcan no kidding

[15:06] TruthSeeker: a proper name

[15:06] Reven: The'Galin has a use for this list?

[15:06] Reven: That is... of interest...

[15:06] * Lkeas sighs

[15:06] Reven: They do not already know?

[15:06] Fulcan: For what we know as the Destroyer, or the Uncreator?

[15:06] TruthSeeker: it is a proper name... of The Devourer of Worlds, The Destroyer, The Uncreator, The Consumer of Being....

[15:07] Lkeas: he just finished explaining that revealing the list of avatars would cause chaos and disarray, which is what The'Galin likes

[15:07] Fulcan: Oh ok...

[15:07] Fulcan: Continue

[15:07] TruthSeeker: Lkeas is correct

[15:07] Reven: The bringer...

[15:07] Reven: Of Order...

[15:07] Fulcan: I might need to pause and ask for an explanation again though...

[15:07] TruthSeeker: That is the reason....

[15:07] Lkeas: later fulcan

[15:07] Fulcan: later?

[15:07] Lkeas: Seeker, why do you oppose NOVA? or do you?

[15:07] Fulcan: You leaving?

[15:07] TruthSeeker: In the resulting disarray The'Galin would gain strength....

[15:07] Fulcan: Oh

[15:07] Fulcan: Never mind

[15:07] Reven: Revealing the list would be damaging as the disarray would be damaging...

[15:07] TruthSeeker: Indeed

[15:07] TruthSeeker: Now moving along

[15:08] Fulcan: He meant later as in I'll tell you in another time...

[15:08] * TruthSeeker turns to Lkeas

[15:08] * Fulcan 's head explodes

[15:08] Reven: And intefere with protecting life and it's disarray as a whole... continue...

[15:08] TruthSeeker: I do not oppose NOVA... but I do oppose lies....

[15:08] TruthSeeker: There are no white lies....

[15:08] TruthSeeker: Only lies....

[15:09] Fulcan: Which NOVA is

[15:09] Lkeas: and you feel NOVA has been lying?

[15:09] Reven: Is there a link between NOVA and lies?

[15:09] * Reven pays rapt attention...

[15:09] Fulcan: (Link: www.myspace.com/novaISALIE)www.myspace.com/novaISALIE

[15:09] TruthSeeker: I do not oppose Lies the entity.... I oppose Lies the concept

[15:09] TruthSeeker: They are not the same thing

[15:09] Lkeas: right

[15:09] * Herald_of_Armistice says to TruthSeeker, "I certainly am not as patient as you and would choose to not entice such children."

[15:09] TruthSeeker: Often the biggest lie is the truth misaprehended.....

[15:10] Herald_of_Armistice: Gooday.

[15:10] * TruthSeeker nods

[15:10] Fulcan: Who are you calling a child?

[15:10] Lkeas: ...

[15:10] *** Herald_of_Armistice has signed off IRC (Distracted: Herald_of_Armistice).

[15:10] * Leo sighs.

[15:10] TruthSeeker: Opinionated....

[15:10] TruthSeeker: As I have said already.

[15:10] Lkeas: i'm not sure if i should feel insulted

[15:10] Fulcan: I hate that kind of guy... Thinks he's better than us...

[15:10] bluemanrocks: ...

[15:10] TruthSeeker: Only if you internalise

[15:10] * Fulcan is angry

[15:10] TruthSeeker: Internalizing the observations of others is another reason The'galin has such power

[15:10] *** Fulcan is now known as Fulcan-Angry.

[15:11] TruthSeeker: Look at how often he uses anger to get others to serve

[15:11] Lkeas: does Herald know the truth?

[15:11] TruthSeeker: Near as often as he uses fear

[15:11] TruthSeeker: or Sadness

[15:11] bluemanrocks: ...

[15:11] TruthSeeker: He is part of the truth

[15:11] Fulcan-Angry: Take it from me, I manipulate people all the time, emotion is key.

[15:11] Lkeas: part of it? how so?

[15:11] *** Fulcan-Angry is now known as Fulcan.

[15:11] Lkeas: does that not make all of us part of the truth as well?

[15:12] TruthSeeker: Very good...

[15:12] TruthSeeker: Yes it does

[15:12] TruthSeeker: Life is but a stage

[15:12] Lkeas: Hope lies within all of us...

[15:12] Fulcan: oh jesus...

[15:12] Fulcan: Veegus...

[15:12] TruthSeeker: and we are all but actors within its play

[15:12] Ioci: does the'galin use any positive emotions?

[15:12] TruthSeeker: Yes

[15:12] TruthSeeker: The'galin loves..

[15:12] Count_Krisarius: Shaekspere, no?

[15:12] TruthSeeker: Passionately... Completely...

[15:13] * Fulcan Turns to TruthSeeker

[15:13] TruthSeeker: And that is what makes him incredibly dangerous

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[15:13] Fulcan: There is no such thing as love.

[15:13] TruthSeeker: You are deluded....

[15:13] kingk: thats a sad percpective

[15:13] Fulcan: Love is a relative term for a combination of Lust and Possession

[15:13] TruthSeeker: You are deluded

[15:13] Fulcan: When you think about it

[15:13] kingk: i agree delutd

[15:13] kingk: deluted*

[15:13] kingk: my god my spelling is horrible

[15:13] TruthSeeker: Lust may equation to passion and sex

[15:13] Lkeas: is The'Galin dangerous in that his actions are controlled entirely by this passion?

[15:14] TruthSeeker: It does not have any thing to do with love

[15:14] bluemanrocks: The'Galin loves Lorithia

[15:14] bluemanrocks: That is why he is bent on destruction

[15:14] TruthSeeker: Passions drive many emotions

[15:14] bluemanrocks: Correct?

[15:14] kingk: amd is selfish so iw ould like to ask about herald of armistice

[15:14] TruthSeeker: And posession is not an emotion

[15:14] Count_Krisarius: Wait, so TruthSeeker, are we to understand that Herald of Armistice does not stand out from the crowd in any way?

[15:14] Fulcan: It is a feeling

[15:14] TruthSeeker: it is merely a state of ownership

[15:14] TruthSeeker: and to love is not to own

[15:14] Fulcan: One can feel possession over another

[15:14] kingk: do you know him seeker?

[15:15] Fulcan: Seeker, you amaze me even now...

[15:15] kingk: please answer the important quetions please

[15:15] Fulcan: I stand corrected...

[15:15] TruthSeeker: Love is a response of fondness and desired continuation, a sense of concern.

[15:15] * Fulcan sits in the corner quietly, listening contently

[15:15] Ioci: and if The'galin encountered a creature without emotion..?

[15:15] TruthSeeker: Love is marked by worry and fear... over being

[15:15] Lkeas: being?

[15:15] TruthSeeker: Love is marked by altruism at its best

[15:16] Count_Krisarius: Isn't that what Herald said?

[15:16] TruthSeeker: A willingness to sacrafice self for that which is loved

[15:16] TruthSeeker: And at its worst it is marked by absolute sociopathy

[15:16] TruthSeeker: a desire to sacrafice the WORLD for the love

[15:16] kingk: he is still selfish

[15:16] Reven: To protect them from imagined fears?

[15:16] Fulcan: Ehhh... You lost me...

[15:16] Reven: Of the world overtaking them?

[15:16] Lkeas: but how can the love be obtained if the world does not exist?

[15:17] kingk: would you mind if i called you galrick the name seeker tends to get boring

[15:17] TruthSeeker: If love exists between two things that are not in the world

[15:17] TruthSeeker: Then what is.........

[15:17] TruthSeeker: Galrick.....

[15:17] *** TruthSeeker has signed off IRC (Interred: ).