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[14:54] <Marrin> even with pockets of creation.

[14:54] <ForeverEndeavor> Welcome back Falerin

[14:54] <Damsel> Greetings Falerin

[14:54] <Marrin> Greetings Loremaster of the pointy ears. we were discussing the map.

[14:54] <bob> it allso dose not have the river

[14:54] <bob> the one that runs allmost all the way to battleon

[14:54] <bob> or krovesport

[14:55] <Marrin> Rivers can appear over days. Mages can easily do that... but to rearragne entire continents takes power.

[14:55] <Rimblade> Power contained easily within the pocket of creative power!

[14:55] <Marrin> Any half decent archmage can cause a lake to appear where a town was, but to move it entirely...

[14:55] <Marrin> I suppose Rimblade...

[14:56] <Marrin> However, given that that created mass... the energy needed is tremendous

[14:56] <Rimblade> And you must consider how many drakel magi gave their lives for it- and lives more learned than most human mages, I'd think.

[14:56] <Marrin> I trust youre familar with at least that E=Mc^2

[14:56] <Marrin> To shift things is fine, but to move and create them entirely...

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[14:56] <Rimblade> Of course- but the energy WOULD have been tremendous, no?

[14:57] <kingk: [AFK]> howd i have my pingtime out?

[14:57] <Falerin> I would consider if I were you that the cartography of the Travel map in game is VERY supsect

[14:57] <Marrin> Yes... it would have.

[14:57] <kingk: [AFK]> oh hey rin so whats new in so far anything?

[14:57] <Falerin> COnsider the fact that in earlier versions of that same map Battleon is CLEARLY on the norther cast

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[14:57] <Falerin> er Coast

[14:57] <Marrin> Er.. Falerin i trust we can at least believe things like greenguard being to the west.

[14:57] <Falerin> and yet now its well BELOW the crossroads

[14:57] <kingk> ah hey falerin

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[14:58] <Marrin> Yep. isnt it nuts?

[14:58] <Falerin> The town.. has either moved.... or the map is drawn with little regard to accuracy

[14:58] <ForeverEndeavor> That's exactly what we had agreed on.

[14:58] <Rimblade> Cartographer error?

[14:58] <doudou> in the last chapter of your story Falerin you talk about part of world you could transfer from a world to another, could this explain the big difference between maps?

[14:58] <Marrin> Or perhaps.. a second hand source

[14:59] <Marrin> Maybe this map wasnt drawn by someone who lived in battleonia.

[14:59] <ForeverEndeavor> It could be like Old Maps of Europe and some of the first maps of Africa and America

[14:59] <kingk> what are you two having a nocversation on?

[14:59] <Falerin> Indeed....

[14:59] <Marrin> Perhaps its from someone from Deren, or elsewere

[14:59] <ForeverEndeavor> Who were you responding to Falerin?

[14:59] <Marrin> Thus, placement of cities can be suspect.

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[14:59] <Marrin> Though, what i find interesting is that this had to be drawn, in the proportion of history, relatively recently

[15:00] <bob> ok wait

[15:00] <bob> i keep crashing but

[15:00] <bob> i solved it

[15:00] <bob> we have the map wrong

[15:00] <bob> way wrong

[15:00] <kingk> fal i wanted to ask is it possible that the'galin is truth hence Truth being lies?

[15:00] <bob> look on the battleon side

[15:00] <bob> it says eragon ocean or whatever

[15:00] <kingk> well falerin?

[15:00] <ForeverEndeavor> Is the focus as much on who the creator is? Or is it more on the idea that they creator may not have copied it or drawn it correctly?

[15:01] <bob> it seems wrong

[15:01] <ForeverEndeavor> And when I say creator I'm saying the creator of the map.

[15:01] <kingk> the creator is lorithia

[15:01] <ForeverEndeavor> I wasnt talking about Lorithia.

[15:01] <doudou> marrin i don't understand why you think this map has to be recent, in his blog seeker talk about older codex, hence old map, not something recent...

[15:01] <Falerin> Personally I am more inclined to trust this map then the map in game

[15:01] <ForeverEndeavor> I was talking about who drwe the map.

[15:01] <ForeverEndeavor> drew^

[15:02] <Marrin> Er... Doudou... the presence of Castle Krieger.

[15:02] <kingk> ah sorry

[15:02] <kingk> i just said sorry meaning i get it

[15:02] <bob> has fallerin said anything at all lol

[15:02] <bob> same fallerin

[15:02] <bob> i have been saying that

[15:02] <kingk> i dont need in depth explaning

[15:02] <ForeverEndeavor> I agree. If this game is written stories, a real map seems more realistic than the stories.

[15:02] <bob> mabye we are all just stupid in the game of lore

[15:02] <ForeverEndeavor> And more credible

[15:02] <Damsel> On a slightly different note... Falerin do you know if there was a pocket of Creation energy in or near Granemore?

[15:02] <Rimblade> Granemore?!

[15:02] <Marrin> Well a gateway to one.

[15:03] <Rimblade> What prompted this theory?

[15:03] <doudou> then, i don't see why the presence of castle krieger make this map recent, marryn. castle krieger could have been there long before artix, maybe long before any human ever see it...

[15:03] <bob> huh?

[15:03] <bob> ture

[15:03] <Damsel> Only 1 town was left unharrassed by the herdmasters...

[15:03] <bob> but

[15:03] <ForeverEndeavor> Well... The game is "just a game" you know? If this map is to be interpreted as truth then this map should most definitely take precidence over the map in the game.

[15:04] <kingk> no it wasnt near granemor at all

[15:04] <kingk> it was below keld ner

[15:04] <kingk> ive read it with my own eyes

[15:04] <Rimblade> Heh. It may have just been because Granemore doesn't really have much of importance to anyone- even Nomadic people.

[15:04] <bob> no one said that the fragment with the caslte was old

[15:04] <bob> some is old some is new

[15:04] <Damsel> That in itself is odd. Couple it with the fact that the main goal of the attack was to draw away our forces from elsewhere....

[15:04] <Falerin> Artix is not the only Krieger

[15:04] <bob> oh yeah

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[15:04] <Damsel> I simply thought there might be something of importance to The'Galin in the city he left alone

[15:04] <bob> we know anything about the old ones?

[15:04] <Falerin> the Krieger line has been arround for near as long as humans have existed in Battleonia

[15:05] <Marrin> True, but Castle Krieger, being that of a human clan, coulnt have been from BEFORE humans.

[15:05] <Rimblade> In any case, it would hardly be marked 'Castle Kreiger' then AND have the clan of homo-sapiens named that if the Drakel made it- humans don't tend to ask what old drakel names were.

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[15:05] <Falerin> No... but humans have been arround quite a while

[15:05] <doudou> and did they built the castle, or did they found it?

[15:05] <Marrin> Which at least tells us this map from after the devourer.

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[15:05] <Falerin> all that means is that the map is from after the first coming

[15:05] <bob> another new seeker site song

[15:05] <Leo> I already pointed it out, bob.

[15:06] <Rimblade> It could still be old, there could still be errors, and we don't have a reliable comparison... eh?

[15:06] <bob> what out?

[15:06] <bob> proboly when i was crashed then

[15:06] <bob> sorry...

[15:06] <Leo> The Seeker's new blog and song.

[15:06] <bob> oh

[15:07] <Rimblade> Artix? He's part of a clan, right?

[13:09] bob: yes...

[13:10] doudou: falerin, will there be new map soon in-game? On the main page it says there will be a lot of new weps, new pets, ... new maps too?

[13:10] Rimblade: Well, if the map is fairly old, then the clan must have at LEAST been named after the Castle- if they didn't build it. I suspect long roots there.

[13:10] bob: what number is he lol?

[13:10] bob: what game?

[13:10] kingk: but falerin i never got an answer

[13:10] kingk: is it perhaps a fact that truth is the'galin?

[13:10] kingk: sorry i justw ant a quick yes or no

[13:10] kingk: and i also apologize for my spelling

[13:10] kingk: and hey lkeas

[13:10] bob: there is a game now?

[13:11] Marrin: Great.. new weapons. That will totally throw me off my inventory..

[13:11] bob: saveing Fallerin the work of saying that lol

[13:12] Rimblade: Um... of saying what? And the game's name is AdventureQuest. It's a nice game that I've played once or twice...

[13:12] bob: hmm...

[13:12] bob: there is a game of the real world?(coufhg chaoek gakcle)

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[13:14] Rimblade: ....... Can I be drunk now?

[13:14] Rimblade: I'm afraid I must already be... literacy is the first thing to go, I hear...

[13:14] bob: huh?

[13:14] doudou: if you get drunk, you might feel sick...

[13:14] Marrin: MM i like the sound of some of these new weapons

[13:15] Rimblade: Bah. Bah, Bah and Cheesepuffs...

[13:15] bob: mee kantss speel adn i meent to speel wroong threr

[13:15] bob: i just want em

[13:15] bob: now

[13:15] Falerin: Nonsense questions do not deserve answers....

[13:16] Marrin: er...

[13:16] Falerin: How in the hell could the Devourer of worlds be possessed by a Faceless

[13:16] Marrin: Umm... the Faceless drove him insane?

[13:16] Falerin: The Devoruer is a Deity

[13:16] Falerin: The Faceless however powerful are mortal

[13:16] Marrin: Oh they are?

[13:16] Falerin: They cannot control a Deity

[13:16] Rimblade: Heh. We already established that the Elemental Lords couldn't be posessed, right?

[13:16] Marrin: Well.. no one said that they were mortal before.

[13:16] Marrin: Nor can gods.

[13:17] Falerin: Yes marrin we have

[13:17] Marrin: Can faceless still enter their minds?

[13:17] Marrin: Or would they explode?

[13:17] Falerin: I established before that they were a Biological organism

[13:17] Marrin: Or something else..

[13:17] Marrin: I missed that one

[13:17] ForeverEndeavor: You said they're mortal right? How come Truth said "I cannot be destroyed, only my avatar can"?

[13:17] Falerin: That reproduced like biological organisms

[13:17] Marrin: Truth isnt a faceless.

[13:17] Rimblade: Mmmm... I think we're putting the Lords on a loose defination of 'deties', as they don't seem to naturally have physical form.

[13:17] Marrin: Werent you there for my explanation of two kinds of avatars yesterday??

[13:18] ForeverEndeavor: Falerin just said he was.

[13:18] ForeverEndeavor: When he answered kingk's question.

[13:18] Marrin: hmm...

[13:18] ForeverEndeavor: : [15:08] <kingk> is it perhaps a fact that truth is the'galin?

[13:18] ForeverEndeavor: : [15:08] <kingk> is it perhaps a fact that truth is the'galin?

[13:19] Marrin: I see it

[13:19] ForeverEndeavor: Oops sorry about that last one

[13:19] ForeverEndeavor: : [15:13] <Falerin> How in the hell could the Devourer of worlds be possessed by a Faceless

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[13:19] Rimblade: Lies, I say.

[13:19] Leo: I have a question. Why don't we write a list of what we do know so we avoid asking the same questions?

[13:20] ForeverEndeavor: So why does Truth say "I cannot be destroyed, only my avatar can" or something along those lines

[13:20] Marrin: Maybe hes full of himself?

[13:20] Falerin: Truth is not a Faceless?

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[13:20] Marrin: Ah perfect. Hes not?

[13:20] ForeverEndeavor: I thought he was...

[13:20] Falerin: Apparently you know things I do not Marrin

[13:20] Marrin: So there ARE two kinds of avatars.

[13:20] Falerin: Perhaps you should be the Lore Master then?

[13:21] Lkeas: Marrin, as much as I enjoyed your foray into the definitions of avatars, i believe you misinterpreted Falerin's explanation

[13:21] Marrin: No, i just assume things. Ah... if only my knowlege were so compelte.

[13:21] Falerin: The fact that Truth IS a faceless is established by events clearly recorded within the Future War

[13:21] Marrin: Truth is a faceless... but Omega is not?

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[13:21] Marrin: Does that mean of the virtues some are faceless and some arent?

[13:22] Falerin: I am not sure where you get any information

[13:22] Marrin: er.. virtues is just a generic term referring to Peace, War, Death, Life, Truth, Lies, and so forth..

[13:22] Falerin: Faceless is the race of beings that exist inside the minds of others

[13:22] Falerin: That is what it is to be faceless

[13:22] Falerin: to be a member of that race

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[13:22] Lkeas: can all faceless take avatar hosts? or only the Avatars of the faceless?

[13:22] Marrin: What do they feed on? the imagination?

[13:22] Falerin: All faceless can take hosts

[13:22] Rimblade: Is it possible to resist a faceless?

[13:23] Lkeas: why do the Avatars of the faceless chose those particular names? Truth, Lies, etc. are they indicative of their nature?

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[13:23] Lkeas: or merely titles?

[13:23] Falerin: My god we are retreading things established weeks ago now

[13:23] bob: GAH I KEEP CRASHING WHY

[13:23] Rimblade: :D

[13:23] Falerin: my patience for infinite retread is nonexistant

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