Complications with Manifestation

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[17:44] Rimblade: "You can't actually be here. It's, you know, moderately impossible, and whatnot."

[17:44] kyle_the_arch_paladin: well exuse me

[17:44] kyle_the_arch_paladin: im new here

[17:44] Little_Brown_Box: Spatial paradox.

[17:45] Little_Brown_Box: Whoo-hoo.

[17:45] * Rimblade sighs, and shrugs.

[17:45] Little_Brown_Box: ((Nono, no criticism. Just telling you.))

[17:45] kyle_the_arch_paladin: and thx to you i dont plain on staying here

[17:45] Rimblade: "Have I given offense?"

[17:46] * FrogPlushie giggles madly.

[17:46] Little_Brown_Box: You did WHAT to the fence?

[17:46] Falerin: Offense is taken not given

[17:46] Little_Brown_Box: You dirty little hilt...man...thing.

[17:46] * Lkeas glances up from Zeltan's scrolls at the familiar voice.

[17:46] Little_Brown_Box: Ooh, the voices are BAAAAaaaaack.

[17:46] * Little_Brown_Box spins in a tight circle.

[17:47] FrogPlushie: Lies, the voices only talk to me!

[17:47] Little_Brown_Box: Get your own voices!

[17:47] Falerin: Knock it off Counterfeit or I will be forced to low level format

[17:47] Little_Brown_Box: That's just draconian.

[17:47] * Little_Brown_Box ceases its spinning.

[17:47] Falerin: I am the God of Evil

[17:48] Falerin: I cannot only accomplish Draconian I can accomplish outright diabolical

[17:48] * Lkeas smiles a little. "This we know well."

[17:48] Little_Brown_Box: Ooh...

[17:48] Rimblade: "Oh ho? Outlets to the Lower PLanes, wot have you?"

[17:48] Little_Brown_Box: Tempting opening, but no thanks.

[17:48] Little_Brown_Box: Not gonna do it.

[17:48] * Damsel laughs oftly.

[17:48] * Falerin materializes

[17:48] Lkeas: LoreMaster, I have a question..

[17:48] Falerin: You often do prophetess.

[17:48] Falerin: I may have an answer

[17:48] Lkeas: Of all the communicants of The'Galin, why did you choose Galrick to be your ward?

[17:49] Falerin: Mu

[17:49] Lkeas: You did not choose him?

[17:49] Dale: (( ROFL ))

[17:49] Falerin: The question is invalid on two fronts

[17:49] Falerin: it supposes that I selected Galrick directly

[17:49] Falerin: it supposes that I selected Galrick solely

[17:50] Lkeas: I see.

[17:50] Falerin: I suggest you read certain dialog with Myr of stonedeep

[17:50] Falerin: It may prove elucidative

[17:50] Lkeas: Ah, I had forgotten about that..

[17:50] Falerin: As for Galrick. I selected him because he was amenable

[17:50] Falerin: I was able to get to him very early

[17:51] Falerin: before he really understood what it was he had done

[17:51] Falerin: before he became enmeshed in it

[17:51] Lkeas: Ah..

[17:51] Falerin: That said I believe confrontation makes it known that Myr is in fact in my employ as well

[17:51] Rimblade: "Mmm. He might get more girls on Lore if he abandoned his terranesque hairstyle."

[17:52] Lkeas: We were just discussing possible candidates for the next Manifestation and his name came up, is all. Since Myr is off the list.

[17:52] Falerin: Hmm... you observed my little dialog then did you

[17:52] Lkeas: Indeed.

[17:52] Dale: "I dunno. He may get Celestra yet, Rimblade."

[17:52] Falerin: Given the ascension of hope something that did not exist on his previous visit

[17:53] Falerin: Manifestation may in fact be far more complicated then it appears

[17:53] Rimblade: "Nonsense, my good man Dale! She's obviously of the strong-willed persuasion, likely to take offense to his advances."

[17:53] Rimblade: "Unless..."

[17:53] Falerin: It is unclear if such a fragmentary and unaware annunaki can hinder the process

[17:53] Damsel: "Mmm... that does seem likely..."

[17:53] Rimblade: "He were to approach her AFTER The'Galin's manifestation!"

[17:53] Lkeas: Is that its goal? Hope wishes to interfere with the Manifestation?

[17:53] * TaloToecan yawns slightly. "Many things do tend to be more complicated than we give credit for."

[17:54] Falerin: Goal.. Why should I know Hope's goal

[17:54] Falerin: I am not even fully sure of Hope's nature

[17:54] Grett: Falerin, I'm not very experienced with this sort of thing, but is it at all possible for mortals to force a god to manifest in a suitable host?

[17:54] Falerin:: Or the nature of the chosen/chosen one

[17:54] Lkeas: Well.. why would you consider that its ascension would complicate the Manifestation?

[17:54] Rimblade: "I'd think that would depend on the god, and the system of divinity in place."

[17:55] Falerin: Can a god be forced to manfiest

[17:55] Rimblade: "I mean, the followers of Diggert were rumored to be able to make him come to their aid."

[17:55] Falerin:: That is the question?

[17:55] Falerin:: That depends

[17:55] Little_Brown_Box: Wow.

[17:55] Rimblade: "Even though he really didn't like them."

[17:55] Little_Brown_Box: I think I'm going crazier than I was before.

[17:55] Little_Brown_Box: Funfunfun.

[17:55] Lkeas: Ah, Grett, are you thinking of the previous conversation, about the sign of Omega?

[17:55] Dale: Hey, box.

[17:56] * Dale whispers.

[17:56] Dale: Fulcan's wings... They're red.

[17:56] Rimblade: "And Ao cast down the gods of Faerun for a bit."

[17:56] Little_Brown_Box: Red?

[17:56] Rimblade: "I guess that could work the other way."

[17:56] Little_Brown_Box: RED?!

[17:56] Falerin: Ao is a God

[17:56] Little_Brown_Box: Yeah.

[17:56] Little_Brown_Box: I noticed.

[17:56] Dale: Yes.

[17:56] Dale: Red.

[17:56] Rimblade: "'Leastwise the Mad one thought he could cast down Ao."

[17:56] Little_Brown_Box: Mhm.

[17:56] Rimblade: "And that'd be about the same thing."

[17:56] Falerin: Gods can make God's do things

[17:56] TaloToecan: "There...are probably ways that mages could attempt to match a God..."

[17:56] Falerin: And yes in some cosmologys it is possible to summon a God agaisnt it's will

[17:57] Falerin: But it most assuredly would not respond as desired at that summoning

[17:57] Rimblade: "Mmm. I think it's not so much the appelation of 'God', but the limits of any entity being dealt with."

[17:57] Rimblade: "Planeswalkers can be forced to manifest, and they have been compared to gods."

[17:57] Falerin: There is a far less dramatic issue

[17:57] Rimblade: "Nope. I have to think it's based on narrative causality."

[17:58] Falerin: The'Galin would have to justify his choice not to manifest

[17:58] FrogPlushie: ... Fulcan can be compared to a god? Oi, I think my mind just shattered.

[17:58] Lkeas: Why should he have to justify it?

[17:58] Little_Brown_Box: Shush. That was pre-emptive and you know it.

[17:58] Falerin: Let us be logical. The Network are corrupt and nasty individuals

[17:59] Little_Brown_Box: 'cause it'd look bad if he right-aligned it.

[17:59] Little_Brown_Box: I mean, MSW is an arse that way.

[17:59] Falerin: They have their own ideas about what should be done and how

[17:59] Lkeas: Yes, but... he's the uncreator, after all. Unmatched power, all that stuff.

[17:59] Falerin: He rules not just by pure power

[17:59] Falerin: but because he commands their respect and obedience

[17:59] Falerin: If he behaved in a way they considered overtly inconsistent

[18:00] Little_Brown_Box: Oh.

[18:00] Little_Brown_Box: This smells significant.

[18:00] Falerin: They may not in fact damage him

[18:00] Lkeas: Ah, so if he loses their respect, they start doing nasty things.

[18:00] Little_Brown_Box: Bells are going off and stuff.

[18:00] Dale: Then they would no longer pray to him... and he would lose power, or something like that?

[18:00] Falerin: No

[18:00] Falerin: Lorian deities are not worshipped in that manner

[18:00] Rimblade: "The gods of Lore don't have belief-driven power, do they... righty."

[18:01] * Dale shrugs

[18:01] Falerin: They have a communicancy and it is different

[18:01] Falerin: They may not in fact damage him

[18:01] Lkeas: Perhaps acting against those he would have considered sparing..

[18:01] Falerin: But they might turn their disobedience against their current whereabouts

[18:01] Falerin: And abandon in an organized fashion

[18:01] Falerin: The damage to Lore might be incalculable

[18:01] * Lkeas nods gravely.

[18:02] Falerin: The network might in fact induce sufficent corruption to restult in it being unsalvagable in fact

[18:02] Falerin: They are a loaded gun

[18:02] Falerin: And The'Galin walks a tight rope

[18:02] Damsel: "Stray just a little..."

[18:02] Falerin: not that he would brook disobedience individually

[18:02] Little_Brown_Box: Seems kinda silly for him to put himself in that position.

[18:02] Falerin: but in an organized fashion

[18:03] Falerin: I should not want to be arround for the result

[18:03] Rimblade: "This is just why he ought to have used an army of robots."

[18:03] Falerin: Of course this is idle speculation

[18:03] Falerin: There exist numerous other possibilities

[18:03] Lkeas: Or golems, Rimblade?

[18:03] Little_Brown_Box: I don't like this feeling.

[18:03] Falerin: Not least of which that someone is already selected for the manifestation and only the highest members know the fact

[18:04] Little_Brown_Box: It's like something really important just happened and I missed it.

[18:04] FrogPlushie: But... But... You can't have a decent conversation with an army of Golems.

[18:04] Falerin: Or another possibility being that The'Galin desires a manifestation that is disposable

[18:04] * Lkeas frowns. "Someone that The'Galin chose? Or someone that the agents chose hoping to bring about the Manifestation on their own terms?"

[18:04] Rimblade: "Urhm. An avatar he wouldn't mind having slain?"

[18:04] Falerin: Indeed

[18:05] Falerin: Both are possible Lkeas

[18:05] Falerin: I will not venture to speak to either

[18:05] * Eitak_Razal walks though the door, haveing heard fal's statment. "You may be right"

[18:05] Falerin: I am just throwing out possibilities

[18:05] Lkeas: Right..

[18:05] Falerin: It seems clear that the host of the manifestation though be a willing one

[18:05] Falerin: Myr did not fit that bill

[18:06] Eitak_Razal: Remember when I was in the hut. It showed him useing ME as a host.

[18:06] Falerin: He was influenced by the Cold

[18:06] Damsel: "Hmmm... well that narrows things down a little..."

[18:06] Little_Brown_Box: Erm...even if the Network picked a candidate, how would they force The'Galin to use it?

[18:06] Falerin: of course arguably even under the cold it is still free will

[18:06] Lkeas: Ryuusei's name came up, as he seemed rather enthusiastic about serving, but the question arose of whether The'Galin would find him suitable himself.

[18:06] Falerin: But apparently that did not convince The'Galin

[18:06] * TaloToecan shudders in memory of the Cold.

[18:06] Falerin: Especially as myr continued to fight the Cold

[18:07] FrogPlushie: ... Oh, I don't think anyone would mind killing Ryuusei.

[18:07] Falerin: If someone easily gave into the Cold things might....

[18:07] Eitak_Razal: The cold is unplesent....

[18:07] Falerin: ... hmmm ....

[18:07] Falerin: Omega can control minds

[18:07] TaloToecan: "Unpleasant...isn't the half of it."

[18:07] Eitak_Razal: I know.

[18:07] FrogPlushie: He should use Drakath... ~

[18:07] Falerin: how disturbing....

[18:07] Eitak_Razal: I've felt it Talo.

[18:07] Lkeas: Was that Omega itself that was controlling Blackhawke?

[18:07] Lkeas: Or some sort of being in its employ?

[18:07] * Falerin vanishes without answer