Hypothetical Diametric Opposition

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<>Ambiance:<> Mariel appears

<Zeltan> Greetings...

* Elaith looks over at the deity. "Hello!"

<Elaith> How do things fare?

* Zeltan circles the words "darkness"

<I> question much of what I see

<Zeltan> Looks can be deceiving...

<Zeltan> But pray tell us of you did you see.

* Mariel looks at the hourglass still sitting there.

<Mariel> that damned thing has to go

* Zeltan follows Mariel's gaze to the hourglass.

<Mariel> as for what I saw

<Mariel> I am going over recent information from what can only now be assumed to be an alternate future

* Zeltan tilts his head. "Hmm..."

<Mariel> If something were to happen and you had to choose between trusting your LoreMaster and trusting Daniel, Maxwell, et al.

<Mariel> How would truthseekers cope with the conflict.

<Mariel> I really do wonder.

* Zeltan frowns slightly. "It's a difficult choice, I admit."

<Jeice> ((Darn it, my character didn't hear that due to still being asleep!))

<Elaith> It would undoubtedly cause in-fighting and a schism of trust.

<Zeltan> ((wake him up then >>))

<Elaith> We are not the most peaceable of groups in the first place.

<Mariel> How fascinating....

* Jeice rolls over in his sleep, the book slips off his face and hits the floor. Jeice stirs at the thud.

* Elaith ponders a moment before continuing. "In fact, I think that we get along mostly by ignorance rather than acceptance."

<Zeltan> ((There we go))

* Jeice blinks. "Mariel?"

<Mariel> Shallow vapid unity is not unity.

<Mariel> Unity untried is no unity at all

<Zeltan> I can't say if the peace of the abode is by the seekers' will or simply due to the Loremaster's spell.

<Zeltan> Or orders...

* Jeice sits upright.

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<Jeice> Or more likely by mixed motivations, Zeltan.

<Elaith> Should such an event occur, I believe that we will remain with one binding factor- the prophetess. She seems to ground us all in reality, and more than sustains the rest of the cause. I would, however, hope that things would be able to be worked out. But it would undoubtedly start with heated argument before rationale took over if our past debates have shown anything.

<Elaith> ((*out, but))

<Jeice> What's this about arguing?

<Zeltan> Yet, the Archivist will bear the heavy burden of who to trust.

<Elaith> As Archivist her stance does not change, as she will continue to archive both, but the stress will be instead placed upon the admiration she receives from the rest of us.

<Zeltan> Your Highness, Mariel has questioned us about the subject of trust should there be a day when we're forced to choose between Loremaster and The Order.

<Elaith> The archives are as much about recording the history of these events as it is about the events themselves.

<Jeice> I would assume the Loremaster over the Order...

<Zeltan> Don't be too quick to make your decision.

<Elaith> I would not make that assumption yet, until we know what causes the choice.

<Jeice> What would give the Order an edge on information?

<Zeltan> ((brb. bath time >>))

<Zeltan> Cor-Demi I assume.

<Jeice> Lies maybe... and Cor-demi...

* Zeltan falls silent.

<Jeice> But Falerin is a diety with seeming information networks, and they are possibly from an alternate world anyhow.

<Elaith> Either way, when the choice is presented, we will all have to consider things then, and not only that, but consider them from both viewpoints.

<Elaith> I imagine it would be incredibly difficult to try and see both paths at once, but we will still have to do our best to see the end of each.

<Jeice> ((Jeice didn't hear you say Daniel earlier, and is basing his thinking without considering him.))

<Mariel> You shall fail

<Mariel> You cannot see the end choice of either.

<Jeice> I'm not surprised at that.

<Jeice> The future is not set in stone.

<Mariel> One involves manipulations and time. One involves the intellect of a deity.

<Mariel> And the future opens like a river not a stream.

<Mariel> This is not a choice you can make based on anything save

<Jeice> I suppose we'll have to ask some appropriate questions, to see who is more knowledgable.

<Mariel> "blind" faith

<Jeice> If Falerin knows how Trinity works, I'll be pretty sure to follow him.

<Jeice> If not, then I can only go by what the Order knows, if they do know.

<Elaith> If faith is the only factor, then my choice is already made. I will be following Falerin.

<Zeltan> Faith...

<Mariel> If something were to happen and you had to choose between trusting your LoreMaster and trusting Daniel, Maxwell, et al. it shall be far more dramatic then just a difference of opinion on path to take

<Zeltan> We'll be doing The'galin's work..

<Jeice> Daniel? Hm... that's a bit more complicated than I thought.

<Jeice> Daniel has gone through it all...

<Mariel> If something of that sort were to happen... Where the Messenger and Falerin directly contradict each other for instance

<Mariel> Could be quite unpleasant

<Jeice> I would have to figure out the right question, and see if I can figure out who has the firmer grasp of the situation.

<Zeltan> Then the choice will only prove more difficult to make.

<Mariel> I do hope you are prepared for that "hypothetical" situation.

<Jeice> But... Falerin could take it badly...

<Mariel> And your majesty if it is not a matter of just knowledge

<Mariel> If the two are actually at war with each other

<Zeltan> War?

<Mariel> If they are not just of differing opinion but are instead in diametric opposition

<Jeice> I had not considered that possibility.

<Mariel> You seem to think I meant the first thing you highness

<Mariel> I do not

<Mariel> I am implying you are in a situation where you can only TRUST one of them about ANYTHING

<Jeice> I'd think Daniel is conserned about the survival of Lore... but Falerin has been such a help...

<Jeice> ((concerned: *))

<Mariel> Is that what Daniel is concerned about...

<Zeltan> Yet Caelestia will remain his priority...

<Mariel> Will it...?

<Mariel> No answers only questions

* Zeltan nods grimly.

<Elaith> We will have to see what causes the opposition in this scenario.

<Jeice> I do not know Daniel's motivations very well, and I do not know whether Falerin will help The`Galin through opposition or assisting...

<Mariel> Does that matter

<Mariel> You said earlier "We would be serving The'Galin"

<Zeltan> But trusting one may lead to the distrust of the other.

<Mariel> My only question is... "When were you not"

<Jeice> If Falerin is helping The`Galin through the destruction, then we'd need to follow Daniel. If Falerin is helping by giving us a fighting chance, then we should follow him.

<Jeice> It has never been confirmed where either stands.

<Mariel> The adult daniel comes from a world that is not yours.. remember that

<Elaith> And not all of us have saving Lore as our highest priorities within the Seekers either.

<Mariel> And Falerin IS the god of evil

<Jeice> There is trouble with both.

<Mariel> Daniel does not neccesary want to save your world so much as ensure the arrival of his own.

<Mariel> Or some close variant thereof.

<Zeltan> You mean...

<Mariel> And of course... neither of them may be in conflict at all

<Jeice> What is so great about his world though?

<Mariel> Everything I said here after all is Rhetorical

<Mariel> He is in it...

<Mariel> Falerin's involvement in Lore is distanced

<Mariel> Daniel's is self involved

<Mariel> And of course... neither of them may be in conflict at all

<Mariel> Everything I said here after all is Rhetorical

<Jeice> But they are possibilities we need be aware of.

<Mariel> And yet none of it was at all accidental...

<Jeice> None of what you said?

<Mariel> Yes they are... Now one thing I am struggling with...

<Mariel> What sense does a being breathing telepathic energy make?

<Mariel> Since when is "The Cold" a susbtance

<Zeltan> Living on..energy?

<Jeice> That is what I have been wondering too.

<Mariel> Curious...

* Zeltan thinks about the Drak'erens.

<>Ambiance:<> Mariel vanishes

<Jeice> I should have asked Daniel when I considered it...

<Jeice> Darkness dragons breath shadows though.

<Jeice> And they control those in the shadow.

<Zeltan> Much as we, I, live on magic, the Drak'eren breathe air.

<Jeice> So maybe it is possible.

<Mariel> They may breathe out shadow and control shadow but I do assure you they breathe oxygen, like most everything else

<Mariel> How can you breathe in something that exists only in the mind

<Jeice> Hm. What kind of bizzare creature...?

<Zeltan> Something created by the mind?

<Jeice> Could Daniel have meant that as a figure of speach?

<Mariel> They are not breathing in Mana afterall or Chi. Whatever psionics might power it. These beings have been described as breathing cold"

* Zeltan brings up a scroll:

<Jeice> Could instead they just use the Cold in extreme amounts or constantly?

<Zeltan> [17:04] Zeltan: This Tytoa knows the Cold?

<Zeltan> [17:04] The_Messenger: Oh my yes, they breath it.

<Zeltan> [17:04] The_Messenger: They can not live without it.

<Mariel> They cannot live without being psionically attacked?

<Jeice> That is odd...

<Jeice> I should have asked Daniel about the Cold when it came to mind!

<Mariel> Something far more strange is occuring here. Perhaps another problem of scope.

* Jeice beats a fist on the couch.

<Jeice> Do you think there would be another way to contact Daniel before he arrives on Lore?

<Zeltan> Last we heard he's coming to Lore.

<Jeice> He rashly rushed off before the last chat was over.

<Zeltan> Unless we can find some way to contact him immediately after arrival or stop him from making the journey.

<Mariel> I actually have observed those beings however... it is true....

<Jeice> How is it then? What exactly is the Cold?

<Mariel> Consider the following. Many dragons even nonfire ones.... breathe fire...

<Jeice> They must be frightening creatures...

<Mariel> but does that mean that dragons power their biological processes by it?

<Jeice> I don't think so...

<Mariel> The analogy breaks down here. As the Tyota apparent do.

<Jeice> Do they feed on emotion?

<Jeice> I'm a bit... confused.

<Mariel> They are physical beings. They require oxygen and nourishment too

<Jeice> Is it simply that they are constantly producing the Cold?

<Mariel> There is a terran fiction. And fiction is just facts from another universe seen darkly remember, there is a Terran Fiction... called Star Trek....

<Zeltan> I'm afraid I'm not familiar with it...

<Jeice> I'm listening...

<Mariel> Study closely that fiction and in particular the front line warriors of the Dominion.

<Mariel> Psionics arrise via mental and neurological processeses

* Mariel vanishes

[07:46] :<+Zeltan> Let's see.

[07:47] : * Zeltan speaks to the watch "Harkel, if you here this, send information on the Terran fictionknown as Star Trek, particularly the Dominion and their front line warriors."

[07:49] : * Jeice opens one of his familiar portals, a small one, and slips a note through.

[07:56] :<>Ambiance:<> A slightly chubby white human hand with badly chewed fingernails holdsanother note through the same portal Jeice just used.

[07:56] RPG Command on #darkabode Originated With Jeice

[07:57] : * Jeice takes the note and closes the portal as the hand slips out of sight.

[07:57] : * Jeice begins reading.

[07:59] :<&Jeice> The amount of relevent information is somewhat pathetic.

[08:00] :<&Jeice> Anyone want to know the contents of this?

[08:00] : * Jeice looks up.

[08:01] : * Jeice walks to a central table (or whatever it is Lkeas uses) and places the note on it. Itappears to be a freshly printed sheet of paper displaying this page: [1]