The Forsaken

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[01:29] Maxwell: [1]

[01:30] Daniel R: It's Anna!

[01:30] Daniel R: Why the dark star?

[01:30] Maxwell: dark star?

[01:30] Daniel R: The star in the background.

[01:30] Daniel R: It's got the dark inside.

[01:31] Maxwell: dont ask me

[01:31] Daniel R: Ask her/

[01:31] Daniel R: *?

[01:31] Maxwell: :)

[01:31] Maxwell: if you want to

[01:31] Daniel R: *thinks really hard*

[01:32] Maxwell: hear any voices yet?

[01:32] Maxwell: lol

[01:32] Daniel R: Yeah, but it's Zoidberg.

[01:32] Maxwell: whoop whoop whoop!

[01:32] Maxwell: lol

[01:33] Daniel R: Bingo.

[01:34] Maxwell: you dont know what a forsaken is do you?

[01:34] Maxwell: big clue :P

[01:34] Maxwell: something none of you know about yet

[01:35] Daniel R: 13 most powerful servants of the Dark One.

[01:35] Maxwell: oh?

[01:35] Maxwell: where did you learn that?

[01:35] Daniel R: Google.

[01:35] Daniel R: :-P

[01:35] Daniel R: I am now reading the WoW definition.

[01:35] Daniel R: That was the Wheel of Time definition.

[01:35] Maxwell: they are both wrong

[01:36] Maxwell: dig deep into AQ's world not theirs

[01:36] Maxwell: actually dig deep into my story if you want to know what a forsaken is

[01:36] Maxwell: my title and avatar are both clues to what they are

[01:37] Daniel R: Anna is a forsaken>

[01:37] Daniel R: *?

[01:37] Maxwell: you will find out I suppose

[01:37] Maxwell: :)

[01:37] Daniel R: I think the Forsaken are those of the parallel LORE.

[01:37] Daniel R: >_>

[01:38] Maxwell: wrong

[01:38] Daniel R: Hmmmm...

[01:38] Maxwell: have fun thinking it over

[01:38] Daniel R: I really wish I had been around for the Future War.

[01:38] Daniel R: >_<

[01:40] Daniel R: Can I share this with other seekers?

[01:40] Maxwell: yes

[01:42] Maxwell: As the soul escapes the body, the darkness surrounds the dead. The Forsaken do not follow the rules of life and death. The survivors will walk in the shadows until they return to the light. The Forsaken will guide you, when you are alone in the darkness.

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[23:49] Daniel: Hello Maxwell.

[23:49] Daniel: Hello Lkeas.

[23:49] * Lkeas grins

[23:49] * Daniel grins *

[23:49] Lkeas: saw him sign on and figured i'd pop in too

[23:50] Avarie: Good eve

[23:50] Daniel: Good morning to you as well Avarie. ^_^

[23:50] Avarie: Same difference.  :P

[23:50] Maxwell: So I dropped a clue off.

[23:50] Lkeas: yeah

[23:50] Daniel: Yup.

[23:50] Maxwell: Have fun with it, I know I will.

[23:51] Lkeas: Are the Forsaken something like the White Rabbit?

[23:51] Maxwell: no, nothing like the white rabbit

[23:52] Lkeas: wait, did we ever figure out what the white rabbit was?

[23:52] Maxwell: yes'

[23:52] Daniel: Does Anna qualify as a Forsaken?

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[23:53] Maxwell: she could

[23:53] Maxwell: it depends what Anna, and when.

[23:54] Daniel: Child Anna that we met.

[23:54] Avarie: *That* just added a hell of a lot to my theories.

[23:55] * Lkeas scratches her head. "Truth said to seek the White Rabbit at the foot of creation when the time comes.." and then when the light of the mother shines, the white rabbit will awaken..

[23:55] Maxwell: Yes, thats right.

[23:55] Zeltan: so what's new?

[23:55] Maxwell: The foot of creation, and when the light of the mother shines.

[23:55] Maxwell: Sounds about right to me.

[23:56] Lkeas: ah yes, and the rabbit's supposed to ask us questions.. does that still apply?

[23:56] Maxwell: It could, after all your test has yet to start.

[23:56] Lkeas: which test? haven't there been many already?

[23:57] Avarie: In fact... "anna mind 755, anna knows Truth, anna knows Lies, anna knows fate." + "what Anna and when" = very interesting....

[23:57] Daniel: The tests at the temple you mean?

[23:57] Maxwell: What makes you think the temple will test you?

[23:57] Maxwell: What is beyond the temple will test you.

[23:58] Lkeas: oh, so the white rabbit is beyond the temple?

[23:58] Daniel: The white rabbit is in the outlands I think.

[23:58] Lkeas: right..

[23:58] * Daniel looks through his stuff *

[23:58] * Lkeas rummages through the pedia

[23:58] Zeltan: um, it's not confirmed yet?

[23:59] Lkeas: ah, here we go. what about "the forgotten?" are they related to "the forsaken?"

[23:59] Lkeas: "It seems the forgotten will rise to aid the children of the mother"

[00:01] Maxwell: They are not the same.

[00:02] Lkeas: Hmm.

[00:02] Lkeas: what's your theory, Avarie, about Anna?

[00:02] Avarie: Maxwell, is it possible that we might run into more than one Anna, like we will with Maxwell?

[00:03] Maxwell: I doubt it.

[00:03] Daniel: Is it the same doubt as the KEANTHE doubt? Or a different doubt?

[00:03] * Lkeas chuckles.

[00:04] Avarie: "the Truth Lies with 755." Might Anna somehow be all 3? And if there are not multiple versions of her, is it possible to be an Avatar of more than one Annunaki, especially with them at opposite ends of the spectrum as it were?

[00:04] Maxwell: I doubt a great deal of things.

[00:04] * Zeltan flips the forum

[00:04] Maxwell: Anna is the Avatar of Lies, if she was to become another Avatar that is possible.

[00:04] Maxwell: But I doubt it could, or would ever happen.

[00:04] Lkeas: Avarie, those old quotes you mentioned before, "anna mind 755..." wasn't there something about her mind being a trinity..

[00:05] Maxwell: And the chances of one host being the Avatar to more than one, it will just not happen.

[00:05] Maxwell: Although Anna was, connected to all minds of Truth and Lies at one time.

[00:06] Lkeas: how? through Carnax? or the Cor Dem?

[00:06] Avarie: *That* is the key I was missing.

[00:06] Maxwell: The trinity caused her to be able to read the thoughts of all within it.

[00:06] Maxwell: Regardless of time and space.

[00:07] Avarie: Now the question becomes the exact nature of the Trinity... does that relate to the possible paradox of the same Annunaki being in the same time twice?

[00:07] Lkeas: but what is this trinity? Truth, Lies, and fate?

[00:08] Maxwell: I cant tell you that, all I can tell you is that there is only one term you will find that relates to the forsaken term.

[00:09] Lkeas: find, huh.. so we have heard this other term?

[00:09] Maxwell: And they are both two outcomes of the same situation.

[00:09] Maxwell: Yes you have.

[00:10] Avarie: Does it involved the portal and it's forceful protections? Perhaps those who were left on the other side?

[00:10] Maxwell: No, those on the other side are the beings of the outland. They are not the forsaken.

[00:12] Avarie: I ment those left upon LORE

[00:13] Maxwell: They are not the forsaken either.

[00:13] Lkeas: forsaken - abandoned, deserted, renounced..

[00:13] Avarie: All right.

[00:13] Lkeas: who do we know that fits that bill?

[00:13] Maxwell: Hmmm

[00:13] Maxwell: Well, I would like to point out that it is not one person.

[00:14] Daniel: Werepyres are renounced by both sides.

[00:14] Lkeas: ok, who (pl) do we know that fits that bill? XD

[00:14] Maxwell: But an outcome to a person.

[00:14] Lkeas: an outcome?

[00:14] Avarie: Perhaps... one whom an Annunaki has left?

[00:15] Maxwell: An Annunaki would then walk the path of the half life.

[00:15] Maxwell: Leaving the human host as a forsaken.

[00:15] Maxwell: Good job.

[00:15] Lkeas: walking in the shadows until they return to the light..?

[00:15] Lkeas: interesting.

[00:15] Avarie: Why, thank you.

[00:15] Daniel: Congrats Avarie. ^_^

[00:16] Maxwell: Of course, the half life can result in death.

[00:16] Maxwell: I am sure the forsaken would result in the same.

[00:16] Lkeas: nice job Avarie :)

[00:16] Maxwell: One would only hope to be cursed as a forsaken has its reason, and that it is temporary.

[00:17] Maxwell: Although being forsaken does have it's advantages.

[00:17] Avarie: What would cause such?

[00:17] Lkeas: yeah.. why would an Anunnaki forsake their host..

[00:17] Daniel: Edward's father was forsaken for being weak.

[00:17] Maxwell: Ask Makkisar that question.

[00:17] Zeltan: Unless they found a more suitable one?

[00:17] Lkeas: well, Makkisar was about to get pwned anyway..

[00:17] Avarie: Of course. That makes sense

[00:18] Maxwell: So you think.

[00:18] Maxwell: What makes you think he is dead at all?

[00:18] Lkeas: or was he defeated BECAUSE Truth left him?

[00:18] Daniel: You told us he was dead.

[00:18] Lkeas: gahh, yes you did.

[00:18] Maxwell: Ahh, you forgot something.

[00:18] Maxwell: I lie.

[00:18] Zeltan: ...

[00:18] * Lkeas slaps forehead.

[00:18] Maxwell: What makes you know he is dead.

[00:18] Zeltan: Question

[00:18] Daniel: Nothing.

[00:19] Lkeas: but we had that whole discussion about how he wasn't just dead in the future, but also in the past..

[00:19] Avarie: That has been one of the problems I've always wondered about... *how* did Truth get back to the past when he left Makkisar?

[00:19] Maxwell: If Makkisar was Forsaken, you would have noticed.

[00:19] Lkeas: oh?

[00:20] Maxwell: Truth left his body only when he was dead.

[00:20] Maxwell: I was just asking you how you know he is really dead, besides what I say.

[00:20] Lkeas: do they change appearance? or behavior?

[00:20] Zeltan: Are there signs?

[00:20] Maxwell: To be stripped of your soul shows signs, yes.

[00:20] * Zeltan thinks it changes the eye colour.

[00:21] Lkeas: like... disfigurement?

[00:21] * Maxwell thinks it makes you start to die

[00:21] Zeltan: Opps

[00:21] Lkeas: ah.

[00:21] Maxwell: There is only a few things being forsaken can help you with.

[00:21] Maxwell: What they are, I will let you all think that over.

[00:22] Maxwell: And so you know, when an Anunnaki takes a new host, the host's soul becomes a part of it.

[00:22] Maxwell: an Avatar holds the souls of many of the Anunnaki's past hosts.

[00:23] Daniel: So it would preserve your soul to be forsaken.

[00:23] Maxwell: All of which have been Avatar, before them.

[00:23] Maxwell: No, it would leave you with no soul.

[00:23] Maxwell: The Anunnaki takes it with them.

[00:23] Avarie: It would leave your an empty vessel... more receptive maybe to certain powers?

[00:23] Maxwell: The Anunnaki usually only leave a body when the host dies.

[00:23] Maxwell: because if they do leave, they will die anyways

[00:24] Maxwell: it is just a matter of time

[00:24] Zeltan: So Ed's father dies then Death goes to Edward?

[00:24] Lkeas: but aren't there disadvantages to the Anunnaki as well?

[00:24] Maxwell: Yes, of course.

[00:24] Maxwell: For one, you have no real control over yourself.

[00:24] Maxwell: The Anunnaki can step in at any time and control your actions.

[00:24] Avarie: Maxwell, is that how Anna knew of all the Annunaki at all times? If Lies left her, would she somehow be able to sense things then?

[00:25] Maxwell: To be Forsaken you become a part of the dead, your senses open up to a different level than when you were alive.

[00:26] Maxwell: It also offers you many, immunities.

[00:26] Maxwell: Even if your body is still "alive".

[00:26] Zeltan: Yet they will die eventually

[00:26] Avarie: So does every mother who once was an Avatar become one of the forsaken? Why then does Riona live?

[00:26] Maxwell: To make a note, the half life of the Anunnaki is very much like the forsaken.

[00:26] Avarie: Would she have died even without the Carnax involvement?

[00:27] Maxwell: I can not say.

[00:27] Lkeas: hmm.

[00:27] Maxwell: As you know, she was in fact dead and brought back.

[00:27] Maxwell: And was being hunted by death.

[00:27] * Avarie nods

[00:27] Zeltan: Does that "reset" her life counter?

[00:27] Avarie: omg

[00:27] Lkeas: what is it?

[00:27] * Avarie 's head hits the keyboard.

[00:27] Avarie: it just makes so much sense

[00:28] Avarie: I've pondered these questions for months now. It's just a head slapping moment.

[00:28] * Zeltan is too confused to make any sense.

[00:28] Maxwell: Although a forsaken might appear normal, their existence is with the dead.

[00:29] Maxwell: They can see the damned, and they can walk in the shadows.

[00:29] Maxwell: Where any living being can not.

[00:29] Zeltan: How long does a Forsaken live?

[00:29] Maxwell: It all depends.

[00:29] Avarie: Is that what Trinity is? an escape from the birth/life/death cycle?

[00:29] Zeltan: hmm..

[00:29] * Lkeas slaps forehead again. "So THAT'S why you said what Anna and when. Duh."

[00:30] Maxwell: There are many trinity in the realms.

[00:30] Maxwell: Life and Death is one of many.

[00:30] Maxwell: If you ever do find yourself in the dark.

[00:31] Maxwell: Do not worry, for The Forsaken will guide you back to the light.

[00:31] Maxwell: The time will come when you must use your curse.

[00:31] Maxwell: As will all of them.

[00:31] Lkeas: that's... only somewhat reassuring..

[00:32] Maxwell: The five forsaken.

[00:32] Avarie: past/present/future... if it allows her to see so much, there's that trinity possibility as well, I suppose.

[00:32] * Lkeas grins. "The five, of course."

[00:32] Zeltan: 5 eh?

[00:32] Maxwell: They will all die, so we can all live.

[00:32] Maxwell: The only question I have to ask you is this.

[00:32] Maxwell: Are you ready to pay the price of death to save everything?

[00:33] Avarie: Not an easily answered question, as I'm sure you know

[00:33] Maxwell: Or would you rather offer your soul to someone who can offer you Eternal life?

[00:33] Lkeas: They will die... so we can live....

[00:33] Maxwell: Yes, or you will die, so they can live.

[00:33] Zeltan: Depends on the condition of your eternal life

[00:33] Lkeas: Hah, no thanks, we've turned down Morgan several times already.

[00:33] Maxwell: It is your choice.

[00:34] Avarie: My soul is mine, thank you. I have no desire to give it up for any type of deal.

[00:34] Zeltan: Would you rather live forever in sickness?

[00:34] Maxwell: The time will come, when you will be Forsaken.

[00:35] Lkeas: Galrick plans to sacrifice his life to buy us time... but that wouldn't necessarily make him a Forsaken as we don't know if he's even a host..

[00:35] Zeltan: We?

[00:35] Lkeas: ...

[00:35] Avarie: ...Hope.

[00:35] * Zeltan takes a pan and hits his head

[00:35] Maxwell: your two choices, are to die for the greater good

[00:35] Lkeas: but why would Hope leave us?

[00:35] Maxwell: or watch them all die in exchange for eternal life

[00:35] Daniel: I choose option 1.

[00:35] Maxwell: That is something to think about, is it not?

[00:35] Zeltan: that's tough

[00:35] Avarie: Indeed it is

[00:36] Zeltan: I'm sure many are tempted by eternal life

[00:36] Lkeas: heh.

[00:36] * Zeltan chose not to mention names

[00:36] Maxwell: I assure you, when they are faced with the option they will regret it.

[00:36] Daniel: Eternal life has its drawbacks such as watching those I love die.

[00:36] Avarie: I do not wish to relenquish my life. However, I am more loathe for others to die in order to preserve it.

[00:37] Zeltan: it's just so tough..

[00:37] Lkeas: Indeed. As The Eternal testified, being immortal can be something of a curse..

[00:37] Maxwell: As is death.

[00:38] Zeltan: So either way, it's a curse

[00:38] Lkeas: that depends on what comes after death, i suppose.

[00:38] Avarie: True. However, I would rather give my life so those I love might live.

[00:38] Maxwell: Eternal Death, if you are to become Forsaken.

[00:38] Maxwell: What comes after that?

[00:38] Maxwell: Nothing.

[00:38] Zeltan: what's the word for it?

[00:39] Lkeas: Some might choose nothing over endless suffering..

[00:39] Zeltan: ah...limbo

[00:39] Maxwell: I must be going, I Hope this has been helpful insight for your journey.

[00:39] Daniel: Nice caps. ^_^

[00:39] Daniel: Take care!

[00:40] Lkeas: yes, very. thank you Max

[00:40] Avarie: Be well, Maxwell

[00:40] Maxwell: Although, being Forsaken will be the most painful death anyone could have.

[00:40] Zeltan: Bye Maxwell

[00:40] Zeltan: Indeed

[00:40] Maxwell: Having your soul torn from your body, only to slowly rot away.

[00:40] Lkeas: great...

[00:40] * Avarie swallows with difficulty.

[00:40] Maxwell: I am sure you will find peace, after your body becomes dust.

[00:41] Zeltan: But we have to consider the type of people we are dying for.

[00:41] * Daniel grumbles about it being something like marriage *

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[00:41] Maxwell: All living things, Zeltan.

[00:41] Maxwell: Good luck, when you are offered the choices.

[00:41] Zeltan: Hmm..that certainly outnumbers the forons...

[00:41] Maxwell: Just rememebr me saying this.

[00:41] Maxwell: Do the right thing.

[00:42] Maxwell: Or you will regret it.

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