Comparisons and Tarot

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[23:36] <Falerin> I have a left hand.

[23:36] <Falerin> I have a right hand.

[23:36] <kingk> the traveller was mentioned by eternal

[23:36] <Falerin> Both of them are parts of me.

[23:36] <kingk> he said he asked him for directions

[23:36] <BaneOfTheUnborn> They are connected, yet seperate.

[23:36] <Falerin> Neither of them ARE me,

[23:36] <kingk> they are only appendeges

[23:36] <BaneOfTheUnborn> Two parts of the whole.

[23:36] <marrin> What is the traveler>

[23:37] <kingk> i havent a clue

[23:37] <Falerin> Traveller is an adjective more then a noun

[23:37] <BaneOfTheUnborn> The current situation, and the "grand scheme of things" are two parts two a larger event?

[23:37] <Falerin> though it has noun properties

[23:37] <kingk> so is it truthone hand lies the other creator in the top middle?

[23:37] <Donto_M> Afterall, you did say you gave us the closest answer to a definitive answer you'd ever give. It would be bad to have to readjust that comment immeidiately.

[23:37] <Falerin> you also do a disservice to yourself to presume singularity

[23:38] <kingk> i assumed that the traveller was us in general

[23:38] <BaneOfTheUnborn> Who was that last comment at?

[23:38] <Falerin> Everyone

[23:38] <marrin> If you will not say who he is, will you say where we may find him?

[23:38] <Falerin> Let me show yous something

[23:38] <kingk> please do

[23:40] <Donto_M> now, if you just, in caps, say 'the door', then kick us all out. I would have to worship you forever, regardless of how angry it would make me. sorry, random comments are flowing to my head. This whole thing is huge when you look at the individual parts. the whole at this point is too vague and rather unclear though.

[23:40] <BaneOfTheUnborn> I would fall out of my chair lauging if he did that Donto.

[23:41] <kingk> you guysi just went to the vault and the first thing that eternal said was hello traveller

[23:41] <marrin> I wouldnt. that would hurt and be unpredictable. That is true.

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[23:41] <marrin> Traveller is, after all, an adjective. The traveller, who knows of "the cold" however is a being.

[23:41] <kingk> hm

[23:41] <Donto_M> we assume singularity. we all are travellers. Thing is, right now, we are looking for the traveller who advised the Seeker.

[23:42] <kingk> falerin must be digging to find what he wants to show us

[23:42] <BaneOfTheUnborn> Ummm......Falerin?

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[23:42] <marrin> Since when did we not agree on that donto?

[23:42] <kingk> wel perhaps that traveller is us?

[23:42] <kingk> maybe we all hated him?

[23:42] <BaneOfTheUnborn> I recall advising no seeker.

[23:42] <kingk> he did work with amkkisar

[23:43] <Donto_M> i didn't think we disagreed on it? i was responding to something said a long time ago.

[23:43] <kingk> makkissar

[23:43] <marrin> That too >.<

[23:43] <BaneOfTheUnborn> I missed the Future War, what are you talking about?

[23:43] <Falerin> is this image

[23:43] <marrin> its not from the future war... its from the stories

[23:44] <Falerin> and this one : [23:44] <Falerin> the same

[23:44] <BaneOfTheUnborn> I must have missed those as well, I know nothing of Makkisar.

[23:44] <BaneOfTheUnborn> Except he was involved in the Future War.

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[23:45] <Ranma236> Makkissar was rhe avatar of truth i think

[23:45] <Falerin> Are those two images the same image?

[23:45] <BaneOfTheUnborn> The Traveller....a comet?

[23:45] <marrin> They dont need to be..

[23:45] <Falerin> You are reading in to them meaning where none exists

[23:45] <Falerin> both were pulled at random from google

[23:45] <BaneOfTheUnborn> Ah, I undertand your point now, they are both travellers, yet they are not the same.

[23:46] <kingk> ah i see

[23:46] <marrin> Where can we find the traveller who spoke of the "the cold"

[23:46] <Falerin> The point is that both are named the same thing with very minor variation

[23:46] <LordBarrius> Ah.

[23:46] <Ranma236> oh

[23:46] <kingk> very smart so your saying the traveller is unimportant

[23:46] <kingk> or rather what we think is

[23:46] <BaneOfTheUnborn> No, he's saying we can assume nothing based on his name.

[23:46] <Falerin> So to assume waht the Eternal called "the traveller" is what the Seeker called "The Traveller" is like assuming Donald Duck is Donald Trump

[23:46] <marrin> So we need to clarify what we ourselves think

[23:47] <Donto_M> ...he isn't? that would be too great.

[23:47] <BaneOfTheUnborn> Mental image of The Apprentice with that misunderstanding just hit me.

[23:47] <Falerin> Mind you that is NOT to say that they are NOT the same person

[23:47] <kingk> so we need the specifics of whom the traveller is

[23:47] <Falerin> But it is to say you are again leaping to conclusions

[23:47] <Donto_M> It just may be wrong to make a definitive assumption

[23:47] <Falerin> Think on who the traveller is

[23:47] <Falerin> I will return shortly

[23:47] <marrin> Which traveller?

[23:48] <BaneOfTheUnborn> All we know about The Traveller, is that he is the traveller.

[23:48] <marrin> Didnt you just point out there are many?

[23:48] <Donto_M> the seeker's traveler?

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[00:32] <marrin> falerin, were taking a quick break, I found a tarot card on the seeker's blog, named infinite truth. I knew id seen it before, so we just got into that

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[00:33] <kingk> yes we were viewing the infinite truth

[00:33] <Falerin> I saw the card

[00:33] <Falerin> I also noticed that he recently posted again

[00:33] <kingk> we found out alot about it

[00:33] <marrin> I'm a practicing pagan, so yeah...

[00:33] <kingk> in what?

[00:33] <marrin> i actually met one of the creators of the triple godess set.

[00:33] <kingk> the thrread or myspace?

[00:33] <Falerin> myspace

[00:34] <kingk> ok

[00:34] <BaneOfTheUnborn> What is the url for his myspace...I can't find it.

[00:34] <marrin> You mean the message from the traveler

[00:34] <marrin> http://www.myspace.com/novaisalie

[00:34] <Falerin> Also the music changed yet again

[00:34] <marrin> Those words sound like yours, Fae.

[00:34] <BaneOfTheUnborn> I can't hear it....no sound card.

[00:35] <kingk> yea

[00:35] <marrin> heh rain by lies?

[00:35] <Falerin> I don't feel a thing... and I stopped remembering. Days are just like moments turned to hours.

[00:35] <marrin> i know the sng... brb.. shower

[00:35] <BaneOfTheUnborn> Is that audio from the site?

[00:35] <Falerin> aye

[00:35] <BaneOfTheUnborn> I can find the rest from there....give me some time...

[00:36] <kingk> is the answer to that riddle that truth posted one?

[00:37] <BaneOfTheUnborn> Gah.....my connection is lagging.

[00:39] <kingk> fal have you any ideas on what the answer to that riddle is?

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[00:41] <BaneOfTheUnborn> http://artists.letssingit.com/seatbelts-lyrics-rain-7d1htkt

[00:42] <BaneOfTheUnborn>http://artists.letssingit.com/seatbelts-lyrics-rain-7d1htkt

[00:42] <BaneOfTheUnborn> Sorry about the double thing....that's the lyrics to the audio Falerin gave me.

[00:43] <Falerin> Those may be the lyrics but that is not the artist

[00:43] <Falerin> the singer on the myspace page is male

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[00:44] <Falerin> and goes by the name Lies

[00:44] <BaneOfTheUnborn> It gave me multiple artists...

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[00:44] <BaneOfTheUnborn> I just picked one.

[00:44] <BaneOfTheUnborn> I got the info from the site http://www.letssingit.com

[00:45] <Falerin> That symbol that Seeker uses for his profile image

[00:45] <kingk> trinity?

[00:45] <BaneOfTheUnborn> It appears to be.

[00:45] <Falerin> It is an inverted form of what nova uses for the letter O

[00:45] <kingk> i saw it once the exact same one when i googled trinity

[00:45] <Falerin> It is distinktly inverted

[00:45] <BaneOfTheUnborn> The url is novaisalie....

[00:45] <kingk> as in the opposite?

[00:46] <BaneOfTheUnborn> The antithesis of nova?

[00:46] <Falerin> aye its upside down

[00:46] <Falerin> compare the two

[00:46] <kingk> the snakes through the skull?i dont know....

[00:47] <kingk> the rami dont know it doesnt look too specific upside down

[00:48] <marrin> and back...

[00:48] <kingk> marrin any thoughts?

[00:48] <marrin> Abought which?

[00:48] <kingk> what is the trinity upside down?

[00:49] <marrin> oh... simple. Coorelate it to the tarot card.

[00:49] <kingk> a Y?

[00:49] <BaneOfTheUnborn> The answer to the riddle is one....most likely.

[00:49] <kingk> well hat is it then?

[00:49] <marrin> er... lemme find that site again to make sure

[00:49] <kingk> ok

[00:49] <marrin> and actually. that cant be the ONLY meaning

[00:49] <marrin> the trinity by definition has many meanings <.<

[00:49] <kingk> http://www.ishalerner.com/home/is1/page/406

[00:50] <kingk> thats the site i think

[00:50] <BaneOfTheUnborn> I have to go for a few minutes....

[00:51] <Falerin> Given the title of the post.... I would tend to agree it is one

[00:51] <Falerin> Which could be a logical inversion of the Trinity as well

[00:51] <Falerin> Consider that in Christianity Unitarians are those who reject the Trinity

[00:51] <kingk> good then i have posted the answer

[00:51] <marrin> It means, awakened world soul, and judging by the description refers to the creator.

[00:52] <kingk> can i get a link marrin?

[00:52] <kingk> really fal?

[00:52] <marrin> the card deals alot with the sense of the world, with the tripple godess, which in wicca refers to the mother godess, and thus, the divine being/creator

[00:52] <marrin> http://www.ishalerner.com/home/is1/page/408

[00:53] <Falerin> the unitarians believe in a god of one person and nature

[00:53] <marrin> Say you were to do an INVERTED reading on this card, it would read something like destruction,masculinity, reverse creation, closemindedness

[00:53] <Falerin> Unity

[00:53] <Falerin> verus Trinity

[00:53] <marrin> i dont know if they are realy opposites falerin.

[00:53] <kingk> hm

[00:53] <kingk> break four?

[00:53] <Falerin> Inverted cards can also mean "Less of the Same"

[00:53] <Falerin> Consider the Tower in the Classical decks

[00:53] <Falerin> it has very few good connotations in either position

[00:53] <marrin> Thats true too, in my readings they deal with inverted natures, with the past sometimes, and more, depending on where in my layout they are placed.

[00:54] <marrin> Heh towers one of the worst cards.

[00:54] <marrin> actually, check that... it is the worst card.

[00:54] <marrin> at least in terms of good and bad fortune/status anyway...

[00:55] <Falerin> As unusual as this may seem or perhaps not so much. I am quite versed in the meanings of those tools

[00:56] <marrin> I find them useful for spell casting and insight, personally.

[00:56] <marrin> but i wonder if the seeker intended us to go along the tarot path, or merely inverted it to mean the

seeker of lies

[00:56] <marrin> or even so, to say that nova and the seeker are opposites.

[00:56] <marrin> it may be as simple as that.

[00:56] <kingk> he says he doesnt belive truth is anything but bull

[00:56] <BaneOfTheUnborn> I would hope so....as I am Christian....the latter that is.

[00:57] <marrin> By the way, Falerin, was battleon around when the devourer came the first time? It is an important question...

[00:57] <marrin> Tarot isnt exclusively pagan... x.x

[00:57] <BaneOfTheUnborn> Ah, but you said yourself it aids in spellcasting....look magic up in the Bible.

[00:57] <marrin> there are many layouts and many decks. In fact, theres one primarily for christianity... ive personally

never seen or used it, but it is out there.

[00:57] <kingk> he saidtruth is lies that we choose to belive

[00:57] <marrin> Ah but that is ONE use of tarot. And it is one I use, and actually, comparitively, is fairly individualistic

[00:58] <BaneOfTheUnborn> I stand corrected.

[00:58] <marrin> Tarot is primarily used for fortune telling, or self exploration

[00:58] <Falerin> Its not very good

[00:58] <marrin> For fortune telling anyway, too ambiguous, but thats what makes it a strong insight tool. : [00:58] <Falerin> And many Christians would reject it as vehemently as those that are not designed aroung Christopaganism

[00:59] <Falerin> And thus it makes little sense to use a poor tool

[00:59] <marrin> Falerin, then again, christians unaware of their origins would flip at the amount of paganism in christianity...

[00:59] <BaneOfTheUnborn> I reject it simply because I feel it is not necessary.

[00:59] <marrin> well for personal insight, the meanings tend to be highly individualistic.

[00:59] <Falerin> Some "types of decks" have personalities... and that does not even consider the personality of the individual cards

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[00:59] <Falerin> or the individual deck

[00:59] <marrin> Well, what helpsus here is that the trinity card is UNIQUE to the triple godess set.

[00:59] <BaneOfTheUnborn> Anyway, let's not get in to religion here.

[01:00] <Falerin> I know people of many sorts for instance that flee from Thoth because it is a "strong willed" deck

[01:00] <marrin> oh the Thoth deck... i enjoyed that at one point... i would agree.

[01:00] <marrin> at least in terms of connection.

[01:00] <Falerin> Given its source and inspiration I am not suprised

[01:00] <Falerin> I myself find thoth natural to use... though I dislike some of its replacements

[01:00] <BaneOfTheUnborn> How does it's rarity help, marrin?

[01:01] <marrin> however, falerin, would you mind ansering me one quick qustion?

[01:01] <InshouLegault> Yep, Falerin knows more words then a computer.

[01:01] <marrin> Oh., because in different decks, different major arcanas have slightly different meanings and uses.

[01:01] <marrin> Being unique to one set narrows it down to that one decks interpretation.

[01:01] <Falerin> Aye

[01:01] <marrin> Falerin, this may seem odd, but was battleon around when the devourer came the first time?

[01:01] <BaneOfTheUnborn> Ah, and the interpretation would be....

[01:01] <Falerin> Assuming the sybol is related to the later card....

[01:02] <Falerin> Which one?

[01:02] <marrin> of course, this is all speculation. thats a given.

[01:02] <marrin> To whom was that directed Falerin?

[01:02] <Falerin> you

[01:02] <Falerin> Which one?

[01:02] <marrin> Which what? Which battleon?

[01:02] <Falerin> Battleon is frequently used to refer to two places

[01:02] <Falerin> One more correctly then the other

[01:02] <marrin> Yet the second was battleonen isnt it?

[01:03] <kingk> hold on i want to direct attention towards the time stamps in truth seekers page

[01:03] <marrin> Specifically, im trying to time reference the story of the manifestation.

[01:03] <Falerin> Generally it is rendered battleonia

[01:03] <BaneOfTheUnborn> I'm lost....

[01:03] <marrin> Where both references are made, if im not mistaken.

[01:03] <Falerin> Manifestation is not concerned with The'Galin's first coming....

[01:03] <Falerin> You are operating under a misconception

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[01:03] <marrin> How many times has The'Galin entered lore?

[01:04] <marrin> which misconception... i apparently have many.

[01:04] <Falerin> Two my knowledge the answer is twice inclusive

[01:04] <marrin> Under which parts?

[01:04] <Falerin> Parts?

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[01:05] <Falerin> "he is not concerned with single parts"

[01:05] <marrin> Well i was in the shower and i came up with the idea that the story may have been set in the past.

[01:05] <Falerin> "he is concerned with wholes"

[01:05] <BaneOfTheUnborn> You know king, I think they're ignoring us.

[01:05] <marrin> I just wanted to confirm the era the manefestation takes place in.

[01:05] <Falerin> You cannot redirect the lost BaneOfTheUnborn

[01:05] <BaneOfTheUnborn> And why not?

[01:05] <Falerin> and as for kingk he can direct what he likes but hijacking an ongoing conversation is rude

[01:06] <Falerin> So yes in fact I am ignorning you

[01:06] <kingk> im sorry i just assumed it was an important topic

[01:06] <Falerin> and willfully so

[01:06] <kingk> theres no need to be snotty

[01:07] <Falerin> If you dislike my manner of speech Kingk perhaps you should stop listening altogether?

[01:07] <BaneOfTheUnborn> I doubt he being snotty, from his perspective...

[01:08] <kingk> no its just i apologized and you kept saying that you were ignoring me and was nearly proud of it

[01:08] <kingk> but im enjoying your conversation

[01:08] <kingk> sorry for the interuption

[01:08] <marrin> In any case, there were several details that I recalled that put me to suspicion. First, ancient drakel cities, secondly, mentions of battleon and battelonia., i just had an overwhelming suspicion that the era could have been set in the far past. However, when I asked about Myr, you acted in the present. : [01:08] <Falerin> The Era of the 3 stories is revealed very clearly in the introduction to confrontation

[01:08] <marrin> Ah.. ill review that then.

[01:09] <Falerin> Confrontation by contrast is set in two distinct eras

[01:09] <marrin> That may have been where my confusion stemmed.

[01:10] <BaneOfTheUnborn> Ah, now I understand...you speak of the stories that I haven't finished reading yet...

[01:10] <Falerin> So hvae you followed my directives

[01:10] <Falerin> and thought on who the Traveller is?

[01:11] <BaneOfTheUnborn> We were....but we didn't get very far...

[01:11] <Falerin> The way he speaks, dresses and appears all matter

[01:12] <Falerin> Also that scene..... Has any one here read all 4 stories.... I do not imagine anyone has read all 5

[01:12] <marrin> I have read them, but not as in depth as i shoudl have... and i believe ive only fully read three..

[01:13] <BaneOfTheUnborn> I can't focus on them at the moment...I'll try again tomorrow....

[01:13] <Falerin> Have you fully read Manifestation and Confronation at least? Albeit Confrontation is not concluded

[01:13] <marrin> yes. And all that is evil si not dark.

[01:13] <Falerin> Then you can answer my question

[01:14] <marrin> hm... i dont know if ive read war of worlds...

[01:14] <Falerin> That scene.... Which is the same scene I posted to you kingk

[01:14] <Falerin> That scene.... how many times is it recalled?

[01:15] <marrin> He is powerful... ripping people from one world to another.

[01:15] <BaneOfTheUnborn> These stories are in Gallery of Creative Adventurers?

[01:16] <Falerin> Have you an answer for how many times that scene is recalled in those two stories

[01:16] <marrin> though i canot place his speach...

[01:18] <Falerin> This I fear is something I can lead you to but can not tell you nor can I confirm or deny it once it is guessed for it would disrupt integrity but it does matter and the answer you arrive out will color the nature of the Seeker, who the seeker is, what his crime was... and what he is doing

[01:18] <marrin> hmm.

[01:19] <marrin> The seeker probably is one of the characters mentioned in the recent posts, specifically the one thrown through time...

[01:19] <Falerin> That goes to both the answer to my last question and the answer to the question who is the Traveller

[01:19] <marrin> silver hair and green eyes?

[01:20] <marrin> Galrik is the seeker perhaps? His repent seems aligned

[01:20] <Falerin> That is an interesting hypothesis

[01:20] <marrin> Its only a hypothesis of course, there is not enough evidence.

[01:20] <Falerin> Does it seem reasonable to you.. lets assume it does....

[01:21] <Falerin> Who then is the Traveller?

[01:21] <Falerin> and how many times is the scene shown in the other world.... both in memory and in actuality

[01:21] <marrin> The Traveler is a being flung across worlds..?

[01:21] <marrin> three... i think

[01:22] <Falerin> Lets go with that then

[01:22] <Falerin> that means a few things... but perhaps most telling is that the scene is pretty important

[01:22] <marrin> this is true.

[01:22] <Falerin> Importnat enough to be rehashed from different operspectives

[01:23] <Falerin> -o

[01:23] <Falerin> The traveller is a being flung across worlds... and not from the world... that seems a logical answer

[01:24] <Falerin> That also seems logical given what he tells Darin and Sigarin

[01:24] <marrin> Yes, his description is frighteningly similar to yours, not to mention the knowledge he adresses, specifically about many worlds, and such.

[01:25] <Falerin> Now I want you to consider the topic of redemption and the model you need to use in this consideration is Darin

[01:25] <Falerin> And the best way to fully see this is to read War of the Words if you have not yet

[01:25] <Falerin> Darin laments hims earlier behavior in the later stories

[01:26] <Falerin> but it does not fully reflect what he did

[01:26] <marrin> This is true... where is his dress ever mentioned.

[01:26] <marrin> people focus on his ears, hair and eyes

[01:27] <Falerin> hmm... perhaps I mispoke then... perhaps not

[01:27] <Falerin> Look for Secret Messages! They Exist!

[01:27] <BaneOfTheUnborn> A quick question if you don't mind....what is the chronological order of these stories.

[01:27] <Falerin> Chronological Order will do you no favors

[01:27] <marrin> he carries a stick <.<

[01:27] <Falerin> The Prefered reading order is as follows

[01:28] <marrin> yes, but how would we find the secret messages... in what sense do they exist.

[01:28] <Falerin> War of the Words

[01:28] <Falerin> All that is Evil is not Dark

[01:28] <Falerin> Manifestation

[01:28] <Falerin> Confrontation

[01:28] <Falerin> Path to Greatness

[01:28] <BaneOfTheUnborn> Thank you.

[01:29] <BaneOfTheUnborn> If only the links would work now...

[01:30] <marrin> Is the traveler someone we have met?

[01:34] <marrin> ...?

[01:34] <Falerin> That is certainly a possibilty I do not know everyone you have met tho

[01:35] <Falerin> they have changed their background music yet again and the lyrics of this song..... are very very very telling

[01:35] <BaneOfTheUnborn> Really?

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[01:36] <BaneOfTheUnborn> Can you give me a line or so? I have to look up the lyrics becasue I have no sound card.

[01:37] <Falerin> In this case I can do better

[01:37] <Falerin> I know the song

[01:37] <marrin> heh... http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/mest/takemeawaycriedouttoheaven.html

[01:37] <Falerin> http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/mest/takemeawaycriedouttoheaven.html

[01:38] <marrin> so its someone who was forced or tricked into serving the devourer, something happened against his will, and now he wants the truth?

[01:38] <marrin> that leaves two people.

[01:38] <BaneOfTheUnborn> Thank you.

[01:38] <Falerin> I cried out to heaven when I thought I lost myself

[01:39] <marrin> yes, cant remember which one did that thouhg <.<

[01:39] <BaneOfTheUnborn> "I never wanted it to be this way." strikes me.

[01:40] <marrin> oh just as a side note, the aegis has gone insane.

[01:40] <BaneOfTheUnborn> The shield?

[01:41] <marrin> yep.. its lighter and faster. Faster may be in part due to animations.

[01:41] <marrin> *searches for screaming <.<

[01:42] <BaneOfTheUnborn> Eepheel's gift seems normal.

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