The Story of Therlion the Mad
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- | : [22:18] Falerin: As to what the Farpoint is... it is a place. it is a state of being. it is a group of entities.... it is a classification | + | :''' [22:18] Falerin: As to what the Farpoint is... it is a place. it is a state of being. it is a group of entities.... it is a classification''' |
: [22:18] Marrin: Which cat is the one curiosity truly killed | : [22:18] Marrin: Which cat is the one curiosity truly killed | ||
- | : [22:18] Falerin: It is a time period.... | + | :''' [22:18] Falerin: It is a time period....''' |
: [22:18] Marrin: Now that is genuinely interesting. | : [22:18] Marrin: Now that is genuinely interesting. | ||
: [22:18] Lkeas: ... a network? | : [22:18] Lkeas: ... a network? | ||
: [22:18] Genoclysm: Is now not the time to stop The'Galin? | : [22:18] Genoclysm: Is now not the time to stop The'Galin? | ||
: [22:18] BaneOfTheUnborn: The only way to defeat something as powerful as the Uncreator would be to unite many different worlds. | : [22:18] BaneOfTheUnborn: The only way to defeat something as powerful as the Uncreator would be to unite many different worlds. | ||
- | : [22:19] Falerin: Fine... I will tell you of Therlion the mad.. because if ever there was an entity like The'galin he made it | + | :''' [22:19] Falerin: Fine... I will tell you of Therlion the mad.. because if ever there was an entity like The'galin he made it''' |
- | : [22:19] Falerin: But fortunately unlike Lorithia's his was capable of being contained | + | :''' [22:19] Falerin: But fortunately unlike Lorithia's his was capable of being contained''' |
- | : [22:19] Falerin: Do not interupt tho for the tale is long and questions will be held to the end thank you | + | :''' [22:19] Falerin: Do not interupt tho for the tale is long and questions will be held to the end thank you''' |
- | : [22:19] Falerin: Perhaps the tale will provide an allegory | + | :''' [22:19] Falerin: Perhaps the tale will provide an allegory''' |
- | : [22:20] Falerin: Therlion the creator of Caelestia.... made the world..... that is all he made... and then he climbed under a nearby rock and slept | + | :''' [22:20] Falerin: Therlion the creator of Caelestia.... made the world..... that is all he made... and then he climbed under a nearby rock and slept''' |
- | : [22:20] Falerin: When gods from one of the near realities discovered an entire world.. with nothing in it..... | + | :''' [22:20] Falerin: When gods from one of the near realities discovered an entire world.. with nothing in it.....''' |
- | : [22:21] Falerin: They saw it as a chance to expand and colonize | + | :''' [22:21] Falerin: They saw it as a chance to expand and colonize''' |
- | : [22:21] Falerin: and they did..... | + | :''' [22:21] Falerin: and they did.....''' |
- | : [22:21] Falerin: New gods arose from within the world and others happened in wars as things go... and many many millenia passed | + | :''' [22:21] Falerin: New gods arose from within the world and others happened in wars as things go... and many many millenia passed''' |
- | : [22:22] Falerin: Therlion then awakened to find his Caelestia to be a very very populous place.. and in many ways not has he had intended it.... | + | :''' [22:22] Falerin: Therlion then awakened to find his Caelestia to be a very very populous place.. and in many ways not has he had intended it....''' |
- | : [22:22] Falerin: He became very worried about the balance of the world... but he could not think outside of diametrics.... | + | :''' [22:22] Falerin: He became very worried about the balance of the world... but he could not think outside of diametrics....''' |
- | : [22:23] Falerin: He first created an Avatar (Manifestation) known as the Man in White... and sent him out as his agent to do his work.... | + | :''' [22:23] Falerin: He first created an Avatar (Manifestation) known as the Man in White... and sent him out as his agent to do his work....''' |
- | : [22:23] Falerin: The Man in White however was intrisincly good..... | + | :''' [22:23] Falerin: The Man in White however was intrisincly good.....''' |
- | : [22:23] Falerin: He was good in every way.... | + | :''' [22:23] Falerin: He was good in every way....''' |
- | : [22:24] Falerin: And this bothered therlion because it was unbalanced so he countered him with a second avatar... also his manifestation... who he sent out.. called... well I am sure you can guess given the old stereotypes | + | :''' [22:24] Falerin: And this bothered therlion because it was unbalanced so he countered him with a second avatar... also his manifestation... who he sent out.. called... well I am sure you can guess given the old stereotypes''' |
- | : [22:24] Falerin: The Man in Black | + | :''' [22:24] Falerin: The Man in Black''' |
- | : [22:24] Falerin: as it happens it was apt for the they dressed exactly as their names suggested | + | :''' [22:24] Falerin: as it happens it was apt for the they dressed exactly as their names suggested''' |
- | : [22:24] Falerin: But even THIS bothered therlion because that would create an dynamic equibrium and he wanted a total equilbrium | + | :''' [22:24] Falerin: But even THIS bothered therlion because that would create an dynamic equibrium and he wanted a total equilbrium''' |
- | : [22:25] Falerin: so he created yet another Avatar to represent neutrality... This one had more dynamic fashion sense and was some times known as the Man in Red and Sometimes as the Man in Grey | + | :''' [22:25] Falerin: so he created yet another Avatar to represent neutrality... This one had more dynamic fashion sense and was some times known as the Man in Red and Sometimes as the Man in Grey''' |
- | : [22:25] Falerin: This Diametric setup though was quite mad and quite a mess... | + | :''' [22:25] Falerin: This Diametric setup though was quite mad and quite a mess...''' |
- | : [22:26] Falerin: For the man in white was very very good and he of course would no disobey his creators wishes.... and the man in grey was neutral and those agreed absolutely with the creator in all things | + | :''' [22:26] Falerin: For the man in white was very very good and he of course would no disobey his creators wishes.... and the man in grey was neutral and those agreed absolutely with the creator in all things''' |
- | : [22:26] Falerin: But the man in Black...... | + | :''' [22:26] Falerin: But the man in Black......''' |
- | : [22:26] Falerin: Was evil.... | + | :''' [22:26] Falerin: Was evil....''' |
- | : [22:27] Falerin: and... he very quickly decided that what he needed to do was to stop being the manifestation and instead assume the portfolio for himself | + | :''' [22:27] Falerin: and... he very quickly decided that what he needed to do was to stop being the manifestation and instead assume the portfolio for himself''' |
- | : [22:27] Falerin: He caused a great deal of havoc and was instrumental in stiring up wars not only among the people but at least three great "god wars" | + | :''' [22:27] Falerin: He caused a great deal of havoc and was instrumental in stiring up wars not only among the people but at least three great "god wars"''' |
- | : [22:28] Falerin: When the final one was resolved an another set of deities were ousted the Gods of Caelestia good and bad decided that Therlion's Avatars were a bad bad thing... but discovered that the Man in Black while lacking enough power to realize his vision had enough to prevent his simple dismissal | + | :''' [22:28] Falerin: When the final one was resolved an another set of deities were ousted the Gods of Caelestia good and bad decided that Therlion's Avatars were a bad bad thing... but discovered that the Man in Black while lacking enough power to realize his vision had enough to prevent his simple dismissal''' |
- | : [22:29] Falerin: SO they gave him his own demiplane and therein they locked him with a giant.... who spanks him every day for all eternity | + | :''' [22:29] Falerin: SO they gave him his own demiplane and therein they locked him with a giant.... who spanks him every day for all eternity''' |
- | : [22:29] Falerin: because he was a bad bad boy | + | :''' [22:29] Falerin: because he was a bad bad boy''' |
: [22:29] Marrin: <.< | : [22:29] Marrin: <.< | ||
- | : [22:30] Falerin: Therlion they then yanked of the portfolio of creator thus renerding it impossible for the man in black to continue drawing on the power of that portfolio and make some sort of escape | + | :''' [22:30] Falerin: Therlion they then yanked of the portfolio of creator thus renerding it impossible for the man in black to continue drawing on the power of that portfolio and make some sort of escape''' |
- | : [22:30] Falerin: They placed 4 gods as the greater powers of the world one for life one for death one for magic and one for creation | + | :''' [22:30] Falerin: They placed 4 gods as the greater powers of the world one for life one for death one for magic and one for creation''' |
- | : [22:31] Falerin: For creation they selected prometheus | + | :''' [22:31] Falerin: For creation they selected prometheus''' |
- | : [22:31] Falerin: However... and it is ironic given that only a few of that portfolio could be said to be native caelestian gods.. they decided that "Intervention" had been a large part of the messes that had been stirred up | + | :''' [22:31] Falerin: However... and it is ironic given that only a few of that portfolio could be said to be native caelestian gods.. they decided that "Intervention" had been a large part of the messes that had been stirred up''' |
- | : [22:32] Falerin: So they formed a directive specifically aimed at prohibiiting the influence of NonLocal powers within Caelestia... The period before this was rife with Chronomancers, Demons and all sorts of other things | + | :''' [22:32] Falerin: So they formed a directive specifically aimed at prohibiiting the influence of NonLocal powers within Caelestia... The period before this was rife with Chronomancers, Demons and all sorts of other things''' |
- | : [22:32] Falerin: The period after or the Farpoint as it is called was much different | + | :''' [22:32] Falerin: The period after or the Farpoint as it is called was much different''' |
- | : [22:33] Falerin: The directives themselves were also called the farpoint | + | :''' [22:33] Falerin: The directives themselves were also called the farpoint''' |
- | : [22:34] Falerin: Then.. the did somethin unheard of in such pantheons and decided to create a new designation of deity even more powerful and privilidges then those normally called the Greater Powers | + | :''' [22:34] Falerin: Then.. the did somethin unheard of in such pantheons and decided to create a new designation of deity even more powerful and privilidges then those normally called the Greater Powers''' |
- | : [22:34] Falerin: these deities were selected from among True natuve Deities | + | :''' [22:34] Falerin: these deities were selected from among True natuve Deities''' |
- | : [22:34] Falerin: Those who had arisen from within Caelestia since colonization | + | :''' [22:34] Falerin: Those who had arisen from within Caelestia since colonization''' |
- | : [22:35] Falerin: These deities were given portfolios to represent the moral and ethical poles and their responsibility is to uphold the farpoint and as such they are collectively called the farpoint as well | + | :''' [22:35] Falerin: These deities were given portfolios to represent the moral and ethical poles and their responsibility is to uphold the farpoint and as such they are collectively called the farpoint as well''' |
- | : [22:36] Falerin: In something of a nod to the old creator and to recognize the odd thing that is Caelestia every single one of those deities is in some way "Chaotic" | + | :''' [22:36] Falerin: In something of a nod to the old creator and to recognize the odd thing that is Caelestia every single one of those deities is in some way "Chaotic"''' |
- | : [22:36] Falerin: The God of Good is very Much Chaotic good.. good before law | + | :''' [22:36] Falerin: The God of Good is very Much Chaotic good.. good before law''' |
- | : [22:36] Falerin: Individual before society | + | :''' [22:36] Falerin: Individual before society''' |
- | : [22:36] Falerin: The God of Evil... is... | + | :''' [22:36] Falerin: The God of Evil... is... ''' |
- | : [22:36] Falerin: He has been calle chaotic confused | + | :''' [22:36] Falerin: He has been calle chaotic confused''' |
- | : [22:37] Falerin: For some question he is "truely evil" thinking of it more as office | + | :''' [22:37] Falerin: For some question he is "truely evil" thinking of it more as office''' |
- | : [22:37] Falerin: though few doubt he can be quite nasty | + | :''' [22:37] Falerin: though few doubt he can be quite nasty''' |
- | : [22:37] Falerin: He also does extremely kind things for no discernable reason | + | :''' [22:37] Falerin: He also does extremely kind things for no discernable reason''' |
- | : [22:38] Falerin: The god of Law.... is actually quite chaotic in alignment.. nearing chaotic neutral with evil tendencies... which is in quite absurd.... | + | :''' [22:38] Falerin: The god of Law.... is actually quite chaotic in alignment.. nearing chaotic neutral with evil tendencies... which is in quite absurd....''' |
- | : [22:38] Falerin: So naturally the god of Chaos.... is Lawful Neutral | + | :''' [22:38] Falerin: So naturally the god of Chaos.... is Lawful Neutral''' |
: [22:38] Marrin: Therlion must have been pleased with this balance.. | : [22:38] Marrin: Therlion must have been pleased with this balance.. | ||
- | : [22:38] Falerin: And considers chaos entirely from the perspective of Chaos theory | + | :''' [22:38] Falerin: And considers chaos entirely from the perspective of Chaos theory''' |
- | : [22:39] Falerin: But none of them were Diametrically oriented like therlion was... they were in fact shades | + | :''' [22:39] Falerin: But none of them were Diametrically oriented like therlion was... they were in fact shades''' |
- | : [22:39] Falerin: Therlion recongized that this worked where the other had failed | + | :''' [22:39] Falerin: Therlion recongized that this worked where the other had failed''' |
- | : [22:39] Falerin: So... he took a new portfolio at the cost of substantially reduced power | + | :''' [22:39] Falerin: So... he took a new portfolio at the cost of substantially reduced power''' |
- | : [22:39] Falerin: He is currently the Demipower of Diversity | + | :''' [22:39] Falerin: He is currently the Demipower of Diversity''' |
- | : [22:42] Falerin: So there.. that is the answer to the question about therlion the mad and about what the farpoint is.... | + | :''' [22:42] Falerin: So there.. that is the answer to the question about therlion the mad and about what the farpoint is....''' |
- | : [22:42] Falerin: Which in fact makes it clear as mud I am quite sure | + | :''' [22:42] Falerin: Which in fact makes it clear as mud I am quite sure''' |
: [22:42] Marrin: *shrugs* makes sense to an extent. Is this the place where Prometheus is from? the one of your world? | : [22:42] Marrin: *shrugs* makes sense to an extent. Is this the place where Prometheus is from? the one of your world? | ||
: [22:42] Marrin: Where did they get prometheus? Terra of Sol? | : [22:42] Marrin: Where did they get prometheus? Terra of Sol? | ||
- | : [22:43] Falerin: However it will I guess provide you with what directives they Fear The'galin will violate the code of nonintervention | + | :''' [22:43] Falerin: However it will I guess provide you with what directives they Fear The'galin will violate the code of nonintervention''' |
- | : [22:43] Falerin: If he can make it to our universe that is | + | :''' [22:43] Falerin: If he can make it to our universe that is''' |
- | : [22:43] Falerin: Which it stands to reason he eventually can.. for I could make it TO lore from there... | + | :''' [22:43] Falerin: Which it stands to reason he eventually can.. for I could make it TO lore from there...''' |
: [22:44] Marrin: What are the base powers of deities... does it requrie a specific power or amount of energy to do certain things, like transverse the multiverse. | : [22:44] Marrin: What are the base powers of deities... does it requrie a specific power or amount of energy to do certain things, like transverse the multiverse. | ||
- | : [22:44] Falerin: Is John Lennon and John the Baptist the same individual? | + | :''' [22:44] Falerin: Is John Lennon and John the Baptist the same individual?''' |
- | : [22:44] Falerin: Save analogy applies | + | :''' [22:44] Falerin: Save analogy applies''' |
: [22:44] Marrin: No, but they both have base human power. | : [22:44] Marrin: No, but they both have base human power. | ||
: [22:44] Marrin: They both have human energy, but different talents. | : [22:44] Marrin: They both have human energy, but different talents. | ||
: [22:45] Marrin: They can both walk, both speak, both listen. | : [22:45] Marrin: They can both walk, both speak, both listen. | ||
: [22:45] Marrin: Does this put my question into context? | : [22:45] Marrin: Does this put my question into context? | ||
- | : [22:45] Falerin: Prometheus the Titan shares with this prometheus precisely two things..... | + | :''' [22:45] Falerin: Prometheus the Titan shares with this prometheus precisely two things.....''' |
- | : [22:45] Falerin: His name..... | + | :''' [22:45] Falerin: His name.....''' |
- | : [22:45] Falerin: He brought fire to the people... naturally in the later class as the creator he created it | + | :''' [22:45] Falerin: He brought fire to the people... naturally in the later class as the creator he created it''' |
- | : [22:46] Falerin: They are otherwise very very very distinct | + | :''' [22:46] Falerin: They are otherwise very very very distinct''' |
: [22:46] Lkeas: how are the four gods of life, death, magic and creation related to the chaotic deities? | : [22:46] Lkeas: how are the four gods of life, death, magic and creation related to the chaotic deities? | ||
: [22:46] Marrin: meaning forethought... | : [22:46] Marrin: meaning forethought... | ||
: [22:46] Lkeas: or are they? | : [22:46] Lkeas: or are they? | ||
: [22:46] Marrin: They are all deities. | : [22:46] Marrin: They are all deities. | ||
- | : [22:46] Falerin: They are all deities | + | :''' [22:46] Falerin: They are all deities''' |
- | : [22:46] Falerin: They are all part of the pantheon of Caelstian powers | + | :''' [22:46] Falerin: They are all part of the pantheon of Caelstian powers''' |
: [22:46] Marrin: They can all choose avatars...? | : [22:46] Marrin: They can all choose avatars...? | ||
: [22:46] Lkeas: but only the chaotic ones are part of the farpoint? | : [22:46] Lkeas: but only the chaotic ones are part of the farpoint? | ||
- | : [22:47] Falerin: Strictly speaking according to the agreement of the Gods... The Farpoint deities which are called | + | :''' [22:47] Falerin: Strictly speaking according to the agreement of the Gods... The Farpoint deities which are called ''' |
- | : [22:47] Falerin: "Greater Powers of Caelestia. To distinguish them from the more ususal Greater Power of plane X Y and Z" are the board of trustees | + | :''' [22:47] Falerin: "Greater Powers of Caelestia. To distinguish them from the more ususal Greater Power of plane X Y and Z" are the board of trustees''' |
- | : [22:47] Falerin: The Greater powers the Branch Supervisors | + | :''' [22:47] Falerin: The Greater powers the Branch Supervisors''' |
- | : [22:47] Falerin: Intermediates the Mangers | + | :''' [22:47] Falerin: Intermediates the Mangers''' |
- | : [22:47] Falerin: etc etc. | + | :''' [22:47] Falerin: etc etc.''' |
: [22:48] *** BaneOfTheUnborn has signed off IRC (Ping timeout). | : [22:48] *** BaneOfTheUnborn has signed off IRC (Ping timeout). | ||
: [22:48] Marrin: How did you come by all this information on the divine? | : [22:48] Marrin: How did you come by all this information on the divine? | ||
- | : [22:48] Falerin: I am a Caelestian. I is the world of my birth. | + | :''' [22:48] Falerin: I am a Caelestian. I is the world of my birth.''' |
- | : [22:48] Falerin: I believe I already said that. | + | :''' [22:48] Falerin: I believe I already said that.''' |
: [22:48] Marrin: And to be that gives you access to all this knowledge? | : [22:48] Marrin: And to be that gives you access to all this knowledge? | ||
: [22:49] Marrin: Or did Thelerin give you this as well. | : [22:49] Marrin: Or did Thelerin give you this as well. | ||
: [22:49] Lkeas: the same way being born american makes you privvy to american history, i assume | : [22:49] Lkeas: the same way being born american makes you privvy to american history, i assume | ||
- | : [22:49] Falerin: If I have as much information as I have on LORE which is not my world and I have had much less chance to study... how much more do you think I have on my own world | + | :''' [22:49] Falerin: If I have as much information as I have on LORE which is not my world and I have had much less chance to study... how much more do you think I have on my own world''' |
: [22:49] *** BaneOfTheUnborn has joined #755. | : [22:49] *** BaneOfTheUnborn has joined #755. | ||
: [22:49] Genoclysm: You wouldn't happen to know instructions on how to contact The White Rabbit in Lore would you? All we know is in the shadows in the East. | : [22:49] Genoclysm: You wouldn't happen to know instructions on how to contact The White Rabbit in Lore would you? All we know is in the shadows in the East. | ||
- | : [22:49] Falerin: And Therlion had to be the Creator to recreate me.... | + | :''' [22:49] Falerin: And Therlion had to be the Creator to recreate me....''' |
- | : [22:49] Falerin: Consider that too | + | :''' [22:49] Falerin: Consider that too''' |
: [22:50] Marrin: So he is not bound by time? | : [22:50] Marrin: So he is not bound by time? | ||
- | : [22:50] Falerin: By my reckoning the Farpoint has existed some 2 Millenia by now" | + | :''' [22:50] Falerin: By my reckoning the Farpoint has existed some 2 Millenia by now"''' |
- | : [22:50] Falerin: Also thats another reason unlike the elemental deities.. before the Farpoint the gods were very present... like the Roman gods | + | :''' [22:50] Falerin: Also thats another reason unlike the elemental deities.. before the Farpoint the gods were very present... like the Roman gods''' |
: [22:50] Marrin: And how long have you existed, purely curious, of course. I have no wish to offend. But some among us aspire to become masters of lore as you have. | : [22:50] Marrin: And how long have you existed, purely curious, of course. I have no wish to offend. But some among us aspire to become masters of lore as you have. | ||
- | : [22:51] Falerin: Always involved in the affairs of the world | + | :''' [22:51] Falerin: Always involved in the affairs of the world''' |
: [22:51] Genoclysm: That is reletively short. Has the Uncreator been around longer? | : [22:51] Genoclysm: That is reletively short. Has the Uncreator been around longer? | ||
- | : [22:51] Falerin: Time between planes is a subject that has no useful correlation | + | :''' [22:51] Falerin: Time between planes is a subject that has no useful correlation''' |
: [22:51] Marrin: i dont think time has meaning to the Uncreator... which brings the question... why does he attack worlds such as lore at specific times.. | : [22:51] Marrin: i dont think time has meaning to the Uncreator... which brings the question... why does he attack worlds such as lore at specific times.. | ||
- | : [22:51] Falerin: Measures of longer only can apply to the local flow | + | :''' [22:51] Falerin: Measures of longer only can apply to the local flow ''' |
: [22:52] Marrin: By traveling from one plane to another, can you go to the past | : [22:52] Marrin: By traveling from one plane to another, can you go to the past | ||
: [22:52] Genoclysm: Right, reletivity... | : [22:52] Genoclysm: Right, reletivity... | ||
: [22:52] Lkeas: a being who exists out of time may choose to enter the realm of time | : [22:52] Lkeas: a being who exists out of time may choose to enter the realm of time | ||
: [22:52] Marrin: Relativity does not allow for reverse flow of time, Geno. Only up to the point of freezin it for all of yourself. | : [22:52] Marrin: Relativity does not allow for reverse flow of time, Geno. Only up to the point of freezin it for all of yourself. | ||
- | : [22:52] Falerin: Past? Of your own world.. no | + | :''' [22:52] Falerin: Past? Of your own world.. no''' |
: [22:52] Marrin: Ah, that works as well. | : [22:52] Marrin: Ah, that works as well. | ||
: [22:52] Marrin: Why can he not do that Falerin? | : [22:52] Marrin: Why can he not do that Falerin? | ||
: [22:52] Marrin: Is it paradoxal, or is there some force that bars him? | : [22:52] Marrin: Is it paradoxal, or is there some force that bars him? | ||
: [22:53] Lkeas: perhaps it's again not a question of why can't, but why didn't | : [22:53] Lkeas: perhaps it's again not a question of why can't, but why didn't | ||
- | : [22:53] Falerin: Chromomancy enables that however but it needs to play tricks on relativity and or with light....which is key | + | :''' [22:53] Falerin: Chromomancy enables that however but it needs to play tricks on relativity and or with light....which is key''' |
- | : [22:53] Falerin: which is why its always so flashy | + | :''' [22:53] Falerin: which is why its always so flashy''' |
: [22:53] Lkeas: yay flashy | : [22:53] Lkeas: yay flashy | ||
- | : [22:53] Falerin: its also forbidden on my home world | + | :''' [22:53] Falerin: its also forbidden on my home world''' |
- | : [22:53] Falerin: becuase its highly dangerous | + | :''' [22:53] Falerin: becuase its highly dangerous''' |
- | : [22:53] Falerin: there is a reason the universe dislikes time travel | + | :''' [22:53] Falerin: there is a reason the universe dislikes time travel''' |
: [22:53] Marrin: it has to rearrange. | : [22:53] Marrin: it has to rearrange. | ||
- | : [22:54] Falerin: Changes change the universe | + | :''' [22:54] Falerin: Changes change the universe''' |
- | : [22:54] Falerin: Paradoxes are ALWAYS formed and that damages the integrity a bit | + | :''' [22:54] Falerin: Paradoxes are ALWAYS formed and that damages the integrity a bit''' |
: [22:54] Marrin: Wouldnt that apply mostly to going into the past? | : [22:54] Marrin: Wouldnt that apply mostly to going into the past? | ||
: [22:54] Marrin: or... nevermind. | : [22:54] Marrin: or... nevermind. | ||
- | : [22:54] Falerin: Chronomancers who travel to the future | + | :''' [22:54] Falerin: Chronomancers who travel to the future''' |
- | : [22:54] Falerin: Rarely stay thee | + | :''' [22:54] Falerin: Rarely stay thee''' |
- | : [22:54] Falerin: they then go back to their OWN time again | + | :''' [22:54] Falerin: they then go back to their OWN time again''' |
: [22:54] Lkeas: i suppose you could get into the multiverse theory then that new universes are created whenever decisions are made, and time travel would be interfering with that decision | : [22:54] Lkeas: i suppose you could get into the multiverse theory then that new universes are created whenever decisions are made, and time travel would be interfering with that decision | ||
: [22:54] Genoclysm: ...so I should get rid of my Delorian I stole? | : [22:54] Genoclysm: ...so I should get rid of my Delorian I stole? | ||
- | : [22:55] Falerin: It would definitely be forbidden tech on my home world | + | :''' [22:55] Falerin: It would definitely be forbidden tech on my home world''' |
: [22:55] Marrin: Supposeing that the universe is independent of time... then there is only a present. and all things work together. from one point, all other points are the past .=<.< | : [22:55] Marrin: Supposeing that the universe is independent of time... then there is only a present. and all things work together. from one point, all other points are the past .=<.< | ||
- | : [22:55] Falerin: No.. all other points are equally the present | + | :''' [22:55] Falerin: No.. all other points are equally the present''' |
- | : [22:55] Falerin: we are just not focused on them "presently" | + | :''' [22:55] Falerin: we are just not focused on them "presently"''' |
: [22:55] BaneOfTheUnborn: A pun? | : [22:55] BaneOfTheUnborn: A pun? | ||
- | : [22:55] Falerin: That sounds liek Hume | + | :''' [22:55] Falerin: That sounds liek Hume''' |
: [22:55] Lkeas: i like that term. focus | : [22:55] Lkeas: i like that term. focus | ||
: [22:56] Marrin: Same idea, different analogy. Probably a more correct one, however from human understanding.. | : [22:56] Marrin: Same idea, different analogy. Probably a more correct one, however from human understanding.. | ||
- | : [22:56] Falerin: anyway.... even if The Devourer exists outside of time | + | :''' [22:56] Falerin: anyway.... even if The Devourer exists outside of time''' |
- | : [22:56] Falerin: and has no concern of time | + | :''' [22:56] Falerin: and has no concern of time''' |
- | : [22:56] Falerin: It is a logical impossibilty for him to not attack at a specific time.... | + | :''' [22:56] Falerin: It is a logical impossibilty for him to not attack at a specific time....''' |
- | : [22:56] Falerin: For when he attacks it will be at the time that he attacks | + | :''' [22:56] Falerin: For when he attacks it will be at the time that he attacks''' |
- | : [22:57] Falerin: That time whatever it is... will BE the time | + | :''' [22:57] Falerin: That time whatever it is... will BE the time''' |
- | : [22:57] Falerin: because LORE does NOT exist outside of time | + | :''' [22:57] Falerin: because LORE does NOT exist outside of time''' |
: [22:57] Lkeas: exactly. | : [22:57] Lkeas: exactly. | ||
: [22:57] Marrin: What if he were to divide and attack at two times at once? The paradoxal effect on the universe would achieve almost the same result as devoureing said relm... | : [22:57] Marrin: What if he were to divide and attack at two times at once? The paradoxal effect on the universe would achieve almost the same result as devoureing said relm... | ||
- | : [22:57] Falerin: It would be destructive and damaging | + | :''' [22:57] Falerin: It would be destructive and damaging''' |
: [22:57] Genoclysm: You said you knew when the time to stop The'Galin was, correct? Is now not the time? | : [22:57] Genoclysm: You said you knew when the time to stop The'Galin was, correct? Is now not the time? | ||
: [22:57] Lkeas: even if he did Marrin, we would experience those attacks within the time stream that we exist | : [22:57] Lkeas: even if he did Marrin, we would experience those attacks within the time stream that we exist | ||
: [22:58] BaneOfTheUnborn: That is an idea I hope he doesn't have. | : [22:58] BaneOfTheUnborn: That is an idea I hope he doesn't have. | ||
: [22:58] Marrin: That is truly a mindjob... | : [22:58] Marrin: That is truly a mindjob... | ||
- | : [22:58] Falerin: But it would be neither efficent...or useful | + | :''' [22:58] Falerin: But it would be neither efficent...or useful''' |
- | : [22:58] Falerin: Also.... What makes you suppose thats not exactly what IS happening | + | :''' [22:58] Falerin: Also.... What makes you suppose thats not exactly what IS happening''' |
: [22:58] Marrin: Not as a direct attack. | : [22:58] Marrin: Not as a direct attack. | ||
: [22:58] Marrin: Well, for one, tthe universe as we know it still exists. | : [22:58] Marrin: Well, for one, tthe universe as we know it still exists. | ||
- | : [22:59] Falerin: Consider the fact that from our perspective it would appear as If he made an attack in the past and the future | + | :''' [22:59] Falerin: Consider the fact that from our perspective it would appear as If he made an attack in the past and the future''' |
: [22:59] Lkeas: in this time, yes. | : [22:59] Lkeas: in this time, yes. | ||
- | : [22:59] Falerin: and untill the whole thing reconciled and sorted itself out | + | :''' [22:59] Falerin: and untill the whole thing reconciled and sorted itself out''' |
- | : [22:59] Falerin: thats exactly how it would appear | + | :''' [22:59] Falerin: thats exactly how it would appear''' |
- | : [22:59] Falerin: untill there was nothing left | + | :''' [22:59] Falerin: untill there was nothing left''' |
: [22:59] Marrin: Frankly, such an attack would tear the fabric of space time, would it not | : [22:59] Marrin: Frankly, such an attack would tear the fabric of space time, would it not | ||
- | : [23:00] Falerin: Very likely... but the devourer has never been one to care about creating rifts where there are none | + | :''' [23:00] Falerin: Very likely... but the devourer has never been one to care about creating rifts where there are none''' |
: [23:00] Lkeas: but marrin, by even imagining the devourer "dividing" and attacking "at once" you are placing him within a realm of time | : [23:00] Lkeas: but marrin, by even imagining the devourer "dividing" and attacking "at once" you are placing him within a realm of time | ||
- | : [23:00] Falerin: However I do think it would be inefficent | + | :''' [23:00] Falerin: However I do think it would be inefficent''' |
: [23:00] Lkeas: not necessarily our time, but time nonetheless | : [23:00] Lkeas: not necessarily our time, but time nonetheless | ||
- | : [23:00] Falerin: If he wishes to consume these worlds to feed his emense hunger and power needs | + | :''' [23:00] Falerin: If he wishes to consume these worlds to feed his emense hunger and power needs''' |
: [23:00] Marrin: Yes, but if lore is his origin, would he not care to be energy efficient? | : [23:00] Marrin: Yes, but if lore is his origin, would he not care to be energy efficient? | ||
- | : [23:00] Falerin: Just breaking the world in to chunks and imploding its time stream does not do it | + | :''' [23:00] Falerin: Just breaking the world in to chunks and imploding its time stream does not do it''' |
: [23:00] Genoclysm: He wouldn't have to make multiple trips if he attacked all the useful times at once. | : [23:00] Genoclysm: He wouldn't have to make multiple trips if he attacked all the useful times at once. | ||
: [23:01] Marrin: Then that in itself would change the 'useful times' | : [23:01] Marrin: Then that in itself would change the 'useful times' | ||
- | : [23:01] Falerin: Aye but that would appear to us exactly the same as if he came back many seperate times | + | :''' [23:01] Falerin: Aye but that would appear to us exactly the same as if he came back many seperate times''' |
: [23:01] Lkeas: right | : [23:01] Lkeas: right | ||
- | : [23:01] Falerin: From the receiving end it would not be any different | + | :''' [23:01] Falerin: From the receiving end it would not be any different''' |
: [23:01] Marrin: The object of my idea is to tear spacetime, thus, in itself, introducing mass chaos before simply vanishing | : [23:01] Marrin: The object of my idea is to tear spacetime, thus, in itself, introducing mass chaos before simply vanishing | ||
: [23:01] Lkeas: there is no "at once" outside of time | : [23:01] Lkeas: there is no "at once" outside of time | ||
- | : [23:01] Falerin: So its a distinction... without difference | + | :''' [23:01] Falerin: So its a distinction... without difference''' |
: [23:01] Lkeas: either he does, or he does not | : [23:01] Lkeas: either he does, or he does not | ||
: [23:02] Marrin: Even to pull off such an effect he would have to exist outside of time while in lore... and as falerin said, thats impossible. | : [23:02] Marrin: Even to pull off such an effect he would have to exist outside of time while in lore... and as falerin said, thats impossible. | ||
: [23:02] Genoclysm: Didn't you say you knew when the time to stop him was? | : [23:02] Genoclysm: Didn't you say you knew when the time to stop him was? | ||
- | : [23:02] Falerin: What makes you believe the Devourer is a creature of Chaos... he instills fear and chaos in communities | + | :''' [23:02] Falerin: What makes you believe the Devourer is a creature of Chaos... he instills fear and chaos in communities''' |
- | : [23:02] Falerin: but in general to me his behavior seems quite orderly | + | :''' [23:02] Falerin: but in general to me his behavior seems quite orderly''' |
- | : [23:02] Falerin: Very diabolic | + | :''' [23:02] Falerin: Very diabolic''' |
- | : [23:02] Falerin: and very very planned and meticulous | + | :''' [23:02] Falerin: and very very planned and meticulous''' |
: [23:03] Lkeas: well, he did say in our argument that it would not be done "tomorrow," if i remember correctly :) | : [23:03] Lkeas: well, he did say in our argument that it would not be done "tomorrow," if i remember correctly :) | ||
- | : [23:03] Falerin: If nothing else I think that doing it your way would offend his sense of style | + | :''' [23:03] Falerin: If nothing else I think that doing it your way would offend his sense of style''' |
- | : [23:03] Falerin: and its quite obvious he as vain as they come | + | :''' [23:03] Falerin: and its quite obvious he as vain as they come''' |
: [23:03] Genoclysm: Falerin, is the time to stop him this "coming"? | : [23:03] Genoclysm: Falerin, is the time to stop him this "coming"? | ||
: [23:03] Marrin: Probably, Falerin. | : [23:03] Marrin: Probably, Falerin. | ||
: [23:04] Marrin: I could see him wearing purple velvet *sighs* | : [23:04] Marrin: I could see him wearing purple velvet *sighs* | ||
- | : [23:04] Falerin: I would smack him | + | :''' [23:04] Falerin: I would smack him''' |
- | : [23:04] Falerin: he dare not ruin it for me | + | :''' [23:04] Falerin: he dare not ruin it for me''' |
: [23:04] BaneOfTheUnborn: Lol. | : [23:04] BaneOfTheUnborn: Lol. | ||
: [23:04] Lkeas: lol | : [23:04] Lkeas: lol | ||
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: [23:04] Marrin: *chuckles* | : [23:04] Marrin: *chuckles* | ||
: [23:04] Marrin: purple velvet, of course. | : [23:04] Marrin: purple velvet, of course. | ||
- | : [23:04] Falerin: The glory that is purple Velvet | + | :''' [23:04] Falerin: The glory that is purple Velvet''' |
: [23:04] BaneOfTheUnborn: I am keeping that. | : [23:04] BaneOfTheUnborn: I am keeping that. | ||
: [23:04] Genoclysm: lol | : [23:04] Genoclysm: lol | ||
- | : [23:05] Falerin: of course I could always go with Chenille instead | + | :''' [23:05] Falerin: of course I could always go with Chenille instead''' |
- | : [23:05] Falerin: Chenille is quite lovely | + | :''' [23:05] Falerin: Chenille is quite lovely''' |
- | : [23:05] Falerin: but its not very durable | + | :''' [23:05] Falerin: but its not very durable''' |
: [23:05] Lkeas: ((OOC - falerin might you check your PM?)) | : [23:05] Lkeas: ((OOC - falerin might you check your PM?)) | ||
: [23:05] Genoclysm: Anyways, could you tell us when the time to make a stand against him should be? | : [23:05] Genoclysm: Anyways, could you tell us when the time to make a stand against him should be? | ||
- | : [23:06] Falerin: It would be unwise to ascribe to me omniscience. Prescience and multiscience yes.. Omniscience no.... | + | :''' [23:06] Falerin: It would be unwise to ascribe to me omniscience. Prescience and multiscience yes.. Omniscience no....''' |
- | : [23:06] Falerin: The time will be at once soon and prolonged | + | :''' [23:06] Falerin: The time will be at once soon and prolonged''' |
- | : [23:06] Falerin: He will make a grand procession of it to be sure... | + | :''' [23:06] Falerin: He will make a grand procession of it to be sure...''' |
: [23:06] Lkeas: meaning something will happen in the near future but it will not be the end of the story? ;) | : [23:06] Lkeas: meaning something will happen in the near future but it will not be the end of the story? ;) | ||
- | : [23:06] Falerin: And there will be wars and floods and portents in the sky | + | :''' [23:06] Falerin: And there will be wars and floods and portents in the sky''' |
- | : [23:07] Falerin: and it will drag on and on for ages | + | :''' [23:07] Falerin: and it will drag on and on for ages''' |
: [23:07] Lkeas: yay! | : [23:07] Lkeas: yay! | ||
- | : [23:07] Falerin: here is where I am supposed to give you the Eschaton | + | :''' [23:07] Falerin: here is where I am supposed to give you the Eschaton''' |
: [23:07] Lkeas: i love a neverending story | : [23:07] Lkeas: i love a neverending story | ||
- | : [23:07] Falerin: But... I fear I do not know... for sure | + | :''' [23:07] Falerin: But... I fear I do not know... for sure''' |
: [23:07] Marrin: The end of everything? | : [23:07] Marrin: The end of everything? | ||
: [23:07] Genoclysm: What is the Eschaton? | : [23:07] Genoclysm: What is the Eschaton? | ||
: [23:08] Marrin: The end of everything, geno. | : [23:08] Marrin: The end of everything, geno. | ||
- | : [23:08] Falerin: It is a philosophy related to the end of all things | + | :''' [23:08] Falerin: It is a philosophy related to the end of all things''' |
- | : [23:08] Falerin: Though not neccesarily the destruction of all things | + | :''' [23:08] Falerin: Though not neccesarily the destruction of all things''' |
- | : [23:08] Falerin: which I am sure is mindboggling to a non theologian | + | :''' [23:08] Falerin: which I am sure is mindboggling to a non theologian''' |
: [23:08] Genoclysm: So you are instucted to instuct us of the end? | : [23:08] Genoclysm: So you are instucted to instuct us of the end? | ||
: [23:08] Lkeas: heh | : [23:08] Lkeas: heh | ||
- | : [23:08] Falerin: It can apply to a stage | + | :''' [23:08] Falerin: It can apply to a stage''' |
: [23:08] Genoclysm: instruct* | : [23:08] Genoclysm: instruct* | ||
- | : [23:08] Falerin: and this stage may end like the last or end very differently indeed | + | :''' [23:08] Falerin: and this stage may end like the last or end very differently indeed''' |
: [23:09] Marrin: Falerin... why did the devourer leave the first time he attacked lore? | : [23:09] Marrin: Falerin... why did the devourer leave the first time he attacked lore? | ||
- | : [23:09] Falerin: the last time The'galin turned his attention to other locales and let LORE go | + | :''' [23:09] Falerin: the last time The'galin turned his attention to other locales and let LORE go''' |
- | : [23:09] Falerin: Why... is not recorded... | + | :''' [23:09] Falerin: Why... is not recorded... ''' |
- | : [23:09] Falerin: but it was most certainly a willfull decision | + | :''' [23:09] Falerin: but it was most certainly a willfull decision''' |
: [23:09] Genoclysm: Why did the Drakel survive exactly? | : [23:09] Genoclysm: Why did the Drakel survive exactly? | ||
: [23:09] BaneOfTheUnborn: I think that he attacked LORE originally not to destroy it, but merely to get Lorithia's attention. | : [23:09] BaneOfTheUnborn: I think that he attacked LORE originally not to destroy it, but merely to get Lorithia's attention. | ||
: [23:09] Genoclysm: Did he ignore them? | : [23:09] Genoclysm: Did he ignore them? | ||
- | : [23:09] Falerin: You might try asking them.... | + | :''' [23:09] Falerin: You might try asking them....''' |
- | : [23:10] Falerin: No he most certainly did not... | + | :''' [23:10] Falerin: No he most certainly did not... ''' |
: [23:10] Genoclysm: I'd like to, but how can I ask them? | : [23:10] Genoclysm: I'd like to, but how can I ask them? | ||
- | : [23:10] Falerin: In fact he went right after the Silari | + | :''' [23:10] Falerin: In fact he went right after the Silari''' |
: [23:10] Marrin: That makes sense... Bane... almost. | : [23:10] Marrin: That makes sense... Bane... almost. | ||
: [23:10] Marrin: To get Lorithias attention... isnt that what his actions are all about... | : [23:10] Marrin: To get Lorithias attention... isnt that what his actions are all about... | ||
- | : [23:10] Falerin: Some have ascribed a more sinister motive | + | :''' [23:10] Falerin: Some have ascribed a more sinister motive''' |
: [23:10] BaneOfTheUnborn: If he destroys from a desire to be center of her attention. | : [23:10] BaneOfTheUnborn: If he destroys from a desire to be center of her attention. | ||
- | : [23:10] Falerin: He wants the world to rebuild and redestroy | + | :''' [23:10] Falerin: He wants the world to rebuild and redestroy''' |
: [23:11] Lkeas: a renewable resource? | : [23:11] Lkeas: a renewable resource? | ||
: [23:11] Lkeas: yeah... humans seem to have a problem with that concept. | : [23:11] Lkeas: yeah... humans seem to have a problem with that concept. | ||
: [23:11] Genoclysm: Maybe he wants her to hate this world. | : [23:11] Genoclysm: Maybe he wants her to hate this world. | ||
- | : [23:11] Falerin: He wants to do this on purpose.. becuase it expands its power AND it prolongs the worlds agony and the miscontent he creates | + | :''' [23:11] Falerin: He wants to do this on purpose.. becuase it expands its power AND it prolongs the worlds agony and the miscontent he creates''' |
- | : [23:11] Falerin: And that ultimately he will destroy all places in this universe before finally attacking completely finishing LORE | + | :''' [23:11] Falerin: And that ultimately he will destroy all places in this universe before finally attacking completely finishing LORE''' |
- | : [23:12] Falerin: but since he does suffer setbacks.... | + | :''' [23:12] Falerin: but since he does suffer setbacks.... ''' |
- | : [23:12] Falerin: but this is blind theorizing | + | :''' [23:12] Falerin: but this is blind theorizing''' |
- | : [23:12] Falerin: None save The'galin knows how and why The'galin thinks and acts | + | :''' [23:12] Falerin: None save The'galin knows how and why The'galin thinks and acts''' |
: [23:12] Genoclysm: Is there a way we can cause a set-back? | : [23:12] Genoclysm: Is there a way we can cause a set-back? | ||
- | : [23:12] Falerin: As for the Drakel they hid | + | :''' [23:12] Falerin: As for the Drakel they hid''' |
- | : [23:13] Falerin: They used their technology to defend their positions | + | :''' [23:13] Falerin: They used their technology to defend their positions''' |
- | : [23:13] Falerin: Their numbers were relatively small | + | :''' [23:13] Falerin: Their numbers were relatively small''' |
- | : [23:13] Falerin: and actually composed of several cousin races | + | :''' [23:13] Falerin: and actually composed of several cousin races''' |
: [23:13] BaneOfTheUnborn: I thought they used magic that stemmed from all elements. | : [23:13] BaneOfTheUnborn: I thought they used magic that stemmed from all elements. | ||
: [23:13] Genoclysm: Could he not smash their defences? | : [23:13] Genoclysm: Could he not smash their defences? | ||
- | : [23:13] Falerin: Which he probably did not realize were all interfertile | + | :''' [23:13] Falerin: Which he probably did not realize were all interfertile''' |
- | : [23:13] Falerin: Before the first coming of the Devourer | + | :''' [23:13] Falerin: Before the first coming of the Devourer''' |
: [23:14] Genoclysm: Ah, he overlooked them? | : [23:14] Genoclysm: Ah, he overlooked them? | ||
- | : [23:14] Falerin: The Drakel employed Elemental magic like everyone else | + | :''' [23:14] Falerin: The Drakel employed Elemental magic like everyone else''' |
- | : [23:14] Falerin: Its easy to miss an ant when your target is a mountain Genoclysm | + | :''' [23:14] Falerin: Its easy to miss an ant when your target is a mountain Genoclysm''' |
- | : [23:14] Falerin: Though he may have done it on purpose too | + | :''' [23:14] Falerin: Though he may have done it on purpose too''' |
- | : [23:14] Falerin: To allow the world to renew | + | :''' [23:14] Falerin: To allow the world to renew''' |
: [23:14] Genoclysm: Is there a magic beyond the elements that we could use against him, to slow him down at least? | : [23:14] Genoclysm: Is there a magic beyond the elements that we could use against him, to slow him down at least? | ||
- | : [23:15] Falerin: The reason most Drakel are unificationists now is the realized what The'galin did.. he had tought people that the elements were antithtical and enemy forces.. so they no longer cooperated at all and they warred against each other | + | :''' [23:15] Falerin: The reason most Drakel are unificationists now is the realized what The'galin did.. he had tought people that the elements were antithtical and enemy forces.. so they no longer cooperated at all and they warred against each other''' |
- | : [23:16] Falerin: In Drakel society therefore it is absolutely forbidden to take up the banner of a Deity | + | :''' [23:16] Falerin: In Drakel society therefore it is absolutely forbidden to take up the banner of a Deity''' |
: [23:16] BaneOfTheUnborn: Ah, now I understand. | : [23:16] BaneOfTheUnborn: Ah, now I understand. | ||
: [23:16] Lkeas: hmm. that sounds like clan wars. | : [23:16] Lkeas: hmm. that sounds like clan wars. | ||
- | : [23:16] Falerin: Even the Creator is shunned | + | :''' [23:16] Falerin: Even the Creator is shunned''' |
: [23:16] Genoclysm: Why would they shun the Creator? | : [23:16] Genoclysm: Why would they shun the Creator? | ||
- | : [23:16] Falerin: Though to be fair few ever took up service to the creator | + | :''' [23:16] Falerin: Though to be fair few ever took up service to the creator''' |
- | : [23:16] Falerin: As hers was a more subtle power and force | + | :''' [23:16] Falerin: As hers was a more subtle power and force''' |
- | : [23:17] Falerin: And people like big guns | + | :''' [23:17] Falerin: And people like big guns''' |
- | : [23:17] Falerin: They shunned the creator because they believed aligning yourself to any ONE entity was wrong | + | :''' [23:17] Falerin: They shunned the creator because they believed aligning yourself to any ONE entity was wrong''' |
: [23:17] Lkeas: and swords and axes | : [23:17] Lkeas: and swords and axes | ||
- | : [23:17] Falerin: and that every being should serve the whole of the order... | + | :''' [23:17] Falerin: and that every being should serve the whole of the order...''' |
- | : [23:17] Falerin: Some though this was good in principle but not in extreme | + | :''' [23:17] Falerin: Some though this was good in principle but not in extreme''' |
: [23:17] Genoclysm: Is she employing ways to counter act him? | : [23:17] Genoclysm: Is she employing ways to counter act him? | ||
- | : [23:18] Falerin: And that they should not force people to give up old faith | + | :''' [23:18] Falerin: And that they should not force people to give up old faith''' |
- | : [23:18] Falerin: These became the roots of the De'me'thar | + | :''' [23:18] Falerin: These became the roots of the De'me'thar''' |
- | : [23:18] Falerin: And others still became servants of the Elemental lords anyway | + | :''' [23:18] Falerin: And others still became servants of the Elemental lords anyway''' |
- | : [23:18] Falerin: And were cast out entirely | + | :''' [23:18] Falerin: And were cast out entirely''' |
: [23:18] BaneOfTheUnborn: The exiles that chose allegience, primarly water. | : [23:18] BaneOfTheUnborn: The exiles that chose allegience, primarly water. | ||
- | : [23:19] Falerin: A large number seem to have gone to water but there are fair number of fire casters too... the others are much scarcer I know not why | + | :''' [23:19] Falerin: A large number seem to have gone to water but there are fair number of fire casters too... the others are much scarcer I know not why''' |
- | : [23:19] Falerin: Perhaps because the water was so key to some of the original Desert drakel species that they clung to it | + | :''' [23:19] Falerin: Perhaps because the water was so key to some of the original Desert drakel species that they clung to it''' |
: [23:19] Genoclysm: And being reprilian made them want protection from ice? | : [23:19] Genoclysm: And being reprilian made them want protection from ice? | ||
- | : [23:20] Falerin: Well if you look closely some of the drakel have fur too | + | :''' [23:20] Falerin: Well if you look closely some of the drakel have fur too''' |
: [23:20] Genoclysm: Really?! | : [23:20] Genoclysm: Really?! | ||
- | : [23:20] Falerin: So they are actually a sort of midpoint | + | :''' [23:20] Falerin: So they are actually a sort of midpoint''' |
- | : [23:20] Falerin: Mamalian Draconian | + | :''' [23:20] Falerin: Mamalian Draconian''' |
: [23:20] BaneOfTheUnborn: I think it states that the first drakel to chose an element, chose water because it is obviously a necessity for life. | : [23:20] BaneOfTheUnborn: I think it states that the first drakel to chose an element, chose water because it is obviously a necessity for life. | ||
- | : [23:21] Falerin: That would definitely be the logic a desert drakel would use | + | :''' [23:21] Falerin: That would definitely be the logic a desert drakel would use''' |
- | : [23:21] Falerin: Anyway the only servitor of all elements that was really sucessfull was the T'palo of Deren | + | :''' [23:21] Falerin: Anyway the only servitor of all elements that was really sucessfull was the T'palo of Deren''' |
: [23:22] BaneOfTheUnborn: Tralin. | : [23:22] BaneOfTheUnborn: Tralin. | ||
- | : [23:22] Falerin: And in the end he became a communicant of a lord anyway | + | :''' [23:22] Falerin: And in the end he became a communicant of a lord anyway''' |
- | : [23:22] Falerin: in DIRECT violation of tradition | + | :''' [23:22] Falerin: in DIRECT violation of tradition''' |
: [23:22] Lkeas: any relation to T'pau? | : [23:22] Lkeas: any relation to T'pau? | ||
: [23:22] * Lkeas snickers | : [23:22] * Lkeas snickers | ||
- | : [23:22] Falerin: aye Tralin | + | :''' [23:22] Falerin: aye Tralin''' |
: [23:22] Lkeas: sorry | : [23:22] Lkeas: sorry | ||
- | : [23:23] Falerin: ((If you check timestamps you will discover my term is older XD)) | + | :''' [23:23] Falerin: ((If you check timestamps you will discover my term is older XD))''' |
- | : [23:25] Falerin: Older then T'Pol too | + | :''' [23:25] Falerin: Older then T'Pol too''' |
- | : [23:25] Falerin: Now... | + | :''' [23:25] Falerin: Now...''' |
- | : [23:25] Falerin: moving along | + | :''' [23:25] Falerin: moving along''' |
: [23:25] Damsel: Falerin, I have been searching for messages which your words might conceal, but the methods employed can be many and varied/ | : [23:25] Damsel: Falerin, I have been searching for messages which your words might conceal, but the methods employed can be many and varied/ | ||
: [23:26] Damsel: Could you help enlighten all of us as to what to watch for? | : [23:26] Damsel: Could you help enlighten all of us as to what to watch for? | ||
- | : [23:26] Falerin: While encourage you to seek for such hidden messages and that they may exist....my first advice to you is to try literalism first | + | :''' [23:26] Falerin: While encourage you to seek for such hidden messages and that they may exist....my first advice to you is to try literalism first''' |
: [23:26] Damsel: Well certainly | : [23:26] Damsel: Well certainly | ||
- | : [23:27] Falerin: Often times symbolism is invented by people after the fact to explain thing in a new way that seems profound to them | + | :''' [23:27] Falerin: Often times symbolism is invented by people after the fact to explain thing in a new way that seems profound to them''' |
- | : [23:27] Falerin: I infact may be enigmatic at times but I almost never speak in riddles | + | :''' [23:27] Falerin: I infact may be enigmatic at times but I almost never speak in riddles''' |
- | : [23:27] Falerin: I may speak in a way that leads the witness... | + | :''' [23:27] Falerin: I may speak in a way that leads the witness...''' |
- | : [23:27] Falerin: but not in riddles | + | :''' [23:27] Falerin: but not in riddles''' |
: [23:28] Damsel: I understand | : [23:28] Damsel: I understand | ||
: [23:28] Lkeas: thank goodness, the last thing we need is another truth or maxwell :) | : [23:28] Lkeas: thank goodness, the last thing we need is another truth or maxwell :) | ||
- | : [23:28] Falerin: As for hidden messages they abound elsewhere for those who know how to see.. Certainly if I write somehting down to be read... then it may contain clues | + | :''' [23:28] Falerin: As for hidden messages they abound elsewhere for those who know how to see.. Certainly if I write somehting down to be read... then it may contain clues''' |
: [23:28] Damsel: But do you ever speak in such a way that certain words or letters may fall in positions to lead interpritation of them? | : [23:28] Damsel: But do you ever speak in such a way that certain words or letters may fall in positions to lead interpritation of them? | ||
- | : [23:29] Falerin: Some hidden and some quite obvious to those who practice looking | + | :''' [23:29] Falerin: Some hidden and some quite obvious to those who practice looking''' |
- | : [23:29] Falerin: I do not speak in acrostics... IRC is not a monotyped medium so its a failing effort. | + | :''' [23:29] Falerin: I do not speak in acrostics... IRC is not a monotyped medium so its a failing effort.''' |
: [23:30] Damsel: Not here, perhaps, but in your library tales? | : [23:30] Damsel: Not here, perhaps, but in your library tales? | ||
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- | : [23:30] Falerin: I may INDEED write in acrostics... but nothing in the histories is written in that manner | + | :''' [23:30] Falerin: I may INDEED write in acrostics... but nothing in the histories is written in that manner''' |
: [23:30] Genoclysm: Any chance you can give us a clearer idea of how to contact The White Rabbit than we already know? | : [23:30] Genoclysm: Any chance you can give us a clearer idea of how to contact The White Rabbit than we already know? | ||
- | : [23:30] Falerin: for the histories are histories not mysteries | + | :''' [23:30] Falerin: for the histories are histories not mysteries''' |
: [23:31] Damsel: I see | : [23:31] Damsel: I see | ||
- | : [23:32] Falerin: Which is not to say there is not meaning hidden to be extracted | + | :''' [23:32] Falerin: Which is not to say there is not meaning hidden to be extracted''' |
- | : [23:32] Falerin: as marrin can verify those histories are a key to understanding much that is occuring | + | :''' [23:32] Falerin: as marrin can verify those histories are a key to understanding much that is occuring''' |
: [23:33] Damsel: Yes, I have gathered much simply by taking the history at face value, as it were | : [23:33] Damsel: Yes, I have gathered much simply by taking the history at face value, as it were | ||
: [23:33] Genoclysm: Do you know of a way our... "avatars" can do some soul searching in Lore? | : [23:33] Genoclysm: Do you know of a way our... "avatars" can do some soul searching in Lore? | ||
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: [23:36] Marrin: that isnt gonna help | : [23:36] Marrin: that isnt gonna help | ||
: [23:36] Genoclysm: Falerin, in your opinion, should we focus on combating the forces of The'Galin, or focus on defending ourselves from him? | : [23:36] Genoclysm: Falerin, in your opinion, should we focus on combating the forces of The'Galin, or focus on defending ourselves from him? | ||
- | : [23:36] Falerin: The results of extreme philosophy? | + | :''' [23:36] Falerin: The results of extreme philosophy?''' |
- | : [23:36] Falerin: Thats what you get when you request TMO | + | :''' [23:36] Falerin: Thats what you get when you request TMO''' |
: [23:37] * Damsel lets out a short chuckle. | : [23:37] * Damsel lets out a short chuckle. | ||
: [23:37] Lkeas: TMO? is that related to TMI? | : [23:37] Lkeas: TMO? is that related to TMI? | ||
- | : [23:37] Falerin: or TMI in general as the case may be | + | :''' [23:37] Falerin: or TMI in general as the case may be''' |
- | : [23:37] Falerin: Yes... | + | :''' [23:37] Falerin: Yes...''' |
: [23:37] Lkeas: lol | : [23:37] Lkeas: lol | ||
: [23:37] Lkeas: ok | : [23:37] Lkeas: ok | ||
- | : [23:37] Falerin: it means too much at once | + | :''' [23:37] Falerin: it means too much at once''' |
: [23:37] Lkeas: alright well, i'm signing off for the night | : [23:37] Lkeas: alright well, i'm signing off for the night | ||
- | : [23:37] Falerin: Its like TMI but it implies that if it were more spaced out it would no be tmi | + | :''' [23:37] Falerin: Its like TMI but it implies that if it were more spaced out it would no be tmi''' |
: [23:37] Genoclysm: bye Lkeas. | : [23:37] Genoclysm: bye Lkeas. | ||
- | : [23:37] Falerin: xD | + | :''' [23:37] Falerin: xD''' |
- | : [23:38] Falerin: I am departing too fellows.... | + | :''' [23:38] Falerin: I am departing too fellows....''' |
: [23:38] Genoclysm: Good night Falerin. | : [23:38] Genoclysm: Good night Falerin. | ||
: [23:38] Lkeas: thank you for the history | : [23:38] Lkeas: thank you for the history | ||
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: [23:38] Marrin: *will probably be studying all night | : [23:38] Marrin: *will probably be studying all night | ||
: [23:38] BaneOfTheUnborn: Later. | : [23:38] BaneOfTheUnborn: Later. | ||
- | : [23:38] Falerin: I am glad to help but do not place too much stock in my past... I am a simple sojourner. A seeker of the truth. A deflector of lies and the source of the answer. | + | :''' [23:38] Falerin: I am glad to help but do not place too much stock in my past... I am a simple sojourner. A seeker of the truth. A deflector of lies and the source of the answer. ''' |
: [23:39] BaneOfTheUnborn: ?! | : [23:39] BaneOfTheUnborn: ?! | ||
- | : [23:39] *** Falerin has left #755. | + | :''' [23:39] *** Falerin has left #755.''' |
Current revision as of 05:00, 26 August 2008
- [22:18] Falerin: As to what the Farpoint is... it is a place. it is a state of being. it is a group of entities.... it is a classification
- [22:18] Marrin: Which cat is the one curiosity truly killed
- [22:18] Falerin: It is a time period....
- [22:18] Marrin: Now that is genuinely interesting.
- [22:18] Lkeas: ... a network?
- [22:18] Genoclysm: Is now not the time to stop The'Galin?
- [22:18] BaneOfTheUnborn: The only way to defeat something as powerful as the Uncreator would be to unite many different worlds.
- [22:19] Falerin: Fine... I will tell you of Therlion the mad.. because if ever there was an entity like The'galin he made it
- [22:19] Falerin: But fortunately unlike Lorithia's his was capable of being contained
- [22:19] Falerin: Do not interupt tho for the tale is long and questions will be held to the end thank you
- [22:19] Falerin: Perhaps the tale will provide an allegory
- [22:20] Falerin: Therlion the creator of Caelestia.... made the world..... that is all he made... and then he climbed under a nearby rock and slept
- [22:20] Falerin: When gods from one of the near realities discovered an entire world.. with nothing in it.....
- [22:21] Falerin: They saw it as a chance to expand and colonize
- [22:21] Falerin: and they did.....
- [22:21] Falerin: New gods arose from within the world and others happened in wars as things go... and many many millenia passed
- [22:22] Falerin: Therlion then awakened to find his Caelestia to be a very very populous place.. and in many ways not has he had intended it....
- [22:22] Falerin: He became very worried about the balance of the world... but he could not think outside of diametrics....
- [22:23] Falerin: He first created an Avatar (Manifestation) known as the Man in White... and sent him out as his agent to do his work....
- [22:23] Falerin: The Man in White however was intrisincly good.....
- [22:23] Falerin: He was good in every way....
- [22:24] Falerin: And this bothered therlion because it was unbalanced so he countered him with a second avatar... also his manifestation... who he sent out.. called... well I am sure you can guess given the old stereotypes
- [22:24] Falerin: The Man in Black
- [22:24] Falerin: as it happens it was apt for the they dressed exactly as their names suggested
- [22:24] Falerin: But even THIS bothered therlion because that would create an dynamic equibrium and he wanted a total equilbrium
- [22:25] Falerin: so he created yet another Avatar to represent neutrality... This one had more dynamic fashion sense and was some times known as the Man in Red and Sometimes as the Man in Grey
- [22:25] Falerin: This Diametric setup though was quite mad and quite a mess...
- [22:26] Falerin: For the man in white was very very good and he of course would no disobey his creators wishes.... and the man in grey was neutral and those agreed absolutely with the creator in all things
- [22:26] Falerin: But the man in Black......
- [22:26] Falerin: Was evil....
- [22:27] Falerin: and... he very quickly decided that what he needed to do was to stop being the manifestation and instead assume the portfolio for himself
- [22:27] Falerin: He caused a great deal of havoc and was instrumental in stiring up wars not only among the people but at least three great "god wars"
- [22:28] Falerin: When the final one was resolved an another set of deities were ousted the Gods of Caelestia good and bad decided that Therlion's Avatars were a bad bad thing... but discovered that the Man in Black while lacking enough power to realize his vision had enough to prevent his simple dismissal
- [22:29] Falerin: SO they gave him his own demiplane and therein they locked him with a giant.... who spanks him every day for all eternity
- [22:29] Falerin: because he was a bad bad boy
- [22:29] Marrin: <.<
- [22:30] Falerin: Therlion they then yanked of the portfolio of creator thus renerding it impossible for the man in black to continue drawing on the power of that portfolio and make some sort of escape
- [22:30] Falerin: They placed 4 gods as the greater powers of the world one for life one for death one for magic and one for creation
- [22:31] Falerin: For creation they selected prometheus
- [22:31] Falerin: However... and it is ironic given that only a few of that portfolio could be said to be native caelestian gods.. they decided that "Intervention" had been a large part of the messes that had been stirred up
- [22:32] Falerin: So they formed a directive specifically aimed at prohibiiting the influence of NonLocal powers within Caelestia... The period before this was rife with Chronomancers, Demons and all sorts of other things
- [22:32] Falerin: The period after or the Farpoint as it is called was much different
- [22:33] Falerin: The directives themselves were also called the farpoint
- [22:34] Falerin: Then.. the did somethin unheard of in such pantheons and decided to create a new designation of deity even more powerful and privilidges then those normally called the Greater Powers
- [22:34] Falerin: these deities were selected from among True natuve Deities
- [22:34] Falerin: Those who had arisen from within Caelestia since colonization
- [22:35] Falerin: These deities were given portfolios to represent the moral and ethical poles and their responsibility is to uphold the farpoint and as such they are collectively called the farpoint as well
- [22:36] Falerin: In something of a nod to the old creator and to recognize the odd thing that is Caelestia every single one of those deities is in some way "Chaotic"
- [22:36] Falerin: The God of Good is very Much Chaotic good.. good before law
- [22:36] Falerin: Individual before society
- [22:36] Falerin: The God of Evil... is...
- [22:36] Falerin: He has been calle chaotic confused
- [22:37] Falerin: For some question he is "truely evil" thinking of it more as office
- [22:37] Falerin: though few doubt he can be quite nasty
- [22:37] Falerin: He also does extremely kind things for no discernable reason
- [22:38] Falerin: The god of Law.... is actually quite chaotic in alignment.. nearing chaotic neutral with evil tendencies... which is in quite absurd....
- [22:38] Falerin: So naturally the god of Chaos.... is Lawful Neutral
- [22:38] Marrin: Therlion must have been pleased with this balance..
- [22:38] Falerin: And considers chaos entirely from the perspective of Chaos theory
- [22:39] Falerin: But none of them were Diametrically oriented like therlion was... they were in fact shades
- [22:39] Falerin: Therlion recongized that this worked where the other had failed
- [22:39] Falerin: So... he took a new portfolio at the cost of substantially reduced power
- [22:39] Falerin: He is currently the Demipower of Diversity
- [22:42] Falerin: So there.. that is the answer to the question about therlion the mad and about what the farpoint is....
- [22:42] Falerin: Which in fact makes it clear as mud I am quite sure
- [22:42] Marrin: *shrugs* makes sense to an extent. Is this the place where Prometheus is from? the one of your world?
- [22:42] Marrin: Where did they get prometheus? Terra of Sol?
- [22:43] Falerin: However it will I guess provide you with what directives they Fear The'galin will violate the code of nonintervention
- [22:43] Falerin: If he can make it to our universe that is
- [22:43] Falerin: Which it stands to reason he eventually can.. for I could make it TO lore from there...
- [22:44] Marrin: What are the base powers of deities... does it requrie a specific power or amount of energy to do certain things, like transverse the multiverse.
- [22:44] Falerin: Is John Lennon and John the Baptist the same individual?
- [22:44] Falerin: Save analogy applies
- [22:44] Marrin: No, but they both have base human power.
- [22:44] Marrin: They both have human energy, but different talents.
- [22:45] Marrin: They can both walk, both speak, both listen.
- [22:45] Marrin: Does this put my question into context?
- [22:45] Falerin: Prometheus the Titan shares with this prometheus precisely two things.....
- [22:45] Falerin: His name.....
- [22:45] Falerin: He brought fire to the people... naturally in the later class as the creator he created it
- [22:46] Falerin: They are otherwise very very very distinct
- [22:46] Lkeas: how are the four gods of life, death, magic and creation related to the chaotic deities?
- [22:46] Marrin: meaning forethought...
- [22:46] Lkeas: or are they?
- [22:46] Marrin: They are all deities.
- [22:46] Falerin: They are all deities
- [22:46] Falerin: They are all part of the pantheon of Caelstian powers
- [22:46] Marrin: They can all choose avatars...?
- [22:46] Lkeas: but only the chaotic ones are part of the farpoint?
- [22:47] Falerin: Strictly speaking according to the agreement of the Gods... The Farpoint deities which are called
- [22:47] Falerin: "Greater Powers of Caelestia. To distinguish them from the more ususal Greater Power of plane X Y and Z" are the board of trustees
- [22:47] Falerin: The Greater powers the Branch Supervisors
- [22:47] Falerin: Intermediates the Mangers
- [22:47] Falerin: etc etc.
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- [22:48] Marrin: How did you come by all this information on the divine?
- [22:48] Falerin: I am a Caelestian. I is the world of my birth.
- [22:48] Falerin: I believe I already said that.
- [22:48] Marrin: And to be that gives you access to all this knowledge?
- [22:49] Marrin: Or did Thelerin give you this as well.
- [22:49] Lkeas: the same way being born american makes you privvy to american history, i assume
- [22:49] Falerin: If I have as much information as I have on LORE which is not my world and I have had much less chance to study... how much more do you think I have on my own world
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- [22:49] Genoclysm: You wouldn't happen to know instructions on how to contact The White Rabbit in Lore would you? All we know is in the shadows in the East.
- [22:49] Falerin: And Therlion had to be the Creator to recreate me....
- [22:49] Falerin: Consider that too
- [22:50] Marrin: So he is not bound by time?
- [22:50] Falerin: By my reckoning the Farpoint has existed some 2 Millenia by now"
- [22:50] Falerin: Also thats another reason unlike the elemental deities.. before the Farpoint the gods were very present... like the Roman gods
- [22:50] Marrin: And how long have you existed, purely curious, of course. I have no wish to offend. But some among us aspire to become masters of lore as you have.
- [22:51] Falerin: Always involved in the affairs of the world
- [22:51] Genoclysm: That is reletively short. Has the Uncreator been around longer?
- [22:51] Falerin: Time between planes is a subject that has no useful correlation
- [22:51] Marrin: i dont think time has meaning to the Uncreator... which brings the question... why does he attack worlds such as lore at specific times..
- [22:51] Falerin: Measures of longer only can apply to the local flow
- [22:52] Marrin: By traveling from one plane to another, can you go to the past
- [22:52] Genoclysm: Right, reletivity...
- [22:52] Lkeas: a being who exists out of time may choose to enter the realm of time
- [22:52] Marrin: Relativity does not allow for reverse flow of time, Geno. Only up to the point of freezin it for all of yourself.
- [22:52] Falerin: Past? Of your own world.. no
- [22:52] Marrin: Ah, that works as well.
- [22:52] Marrin: Why can he not do that Falerin?
- [22:52] Marrin: Is it paradoxal, or is there some force that bars him?
- [22:53] Lkeas: perhaps it's again not a question of why can't, but why didn't
- [22:53] Falerin: Chromomancy enables that however but it needs to play tricks on relativity and or with light....which is key
- [22:53] Falerin: which is why its always so flashy
- [22:53] Lkeas: yay flashy
- [22:53] Falerin: its also forbidden on my home world
- [22:53] Falerin: becuase its highly dangerous
- [22:53] Falerin: there is a reason the universe dislikes time travel
- [22:53] Marrin: it has to rearrange.
- [22:54] Falerin: Changes change the universe
- [22:54] Falerin: Paradoxes are ALWAYS formed and that damages the integrity a bit
- [22:54] Marrin: Wouldnt that apply mostly to going into the past?
- [22:54] Marrin: or... nevermind.
- [22:54] Falerin: Chronomancers who travel to the future
- [22:54] Falerin: Rarely stay thee
- [22:54] Falerin: they then go back to their OWN time again
- [22:54] Lkeas: i suppose you could get into the multiverse theory then that new universes are created whenever decisions are made, and time travel would be interfering with that decision
- [22:54] Genoclysm: ...so I should get rid of my Delorian I stole?
- [22:55] Falerin: It would definitely be forbidden tech on my home world
- [22:55] Marrin: Supposeing that the universe is independent of time... then there is only a present. and all things work together. from one point, all other points are the past .=<.<
- [22:55] Falerin: No.. all other points are equally the present
- [22:55] Falerin: we are just not focused on them "presently"
- [22:55] BaneOfTheUnborn: A pun?
- [22:55] Falerin: That sounds liek Hume
- [22:55] Lkeas: i like that term. focus
- [22:56] Marrin: Same idea, different analogy. Probably a more correct one, however from human understanding..
- [22:56] Falerin: anyway.... even if The Devourer exists outside of time
- [22:56] Falerin: and has no concern of time
- [22:56] Falerin: It is a logical impossibilty for him to not attack at a specific time....
- [22:56] Falerin: For when he attacks it will be at the time that he attacks
- [22:57] Falerin: That time whatever it is... will BE the time
- [22:57] Falerin: because LORE does NOT exist outside of time
- [22:57] Lkeas: exactly.
- [22:57] Marrin: What if he were to divide and attack at two times at once? The paradoxal effect on the universe would achieve almost the same result as devoureing said relm...
- [22:57] Falerin: It would be destructive and damaging
- [22:57] Genoclysm: You said you knew when the time to stop The'Galin was, correct? Is now not the time?
- [22:57] Lkeas: even if he did Marrin, we would experience those attacks within the time stream that we exist
- [22:58] BaneOfTheUnborn: That is an idea I hope he doesn't have.
- [22:58] Marrin: That is truly a mindjob...
- [22:58] Falerin: But it would be neither efficent...or useful
- [22:58] Falerin: Also.... What makes you suppose thats not exactly what IS happening
- [22:58] Marrin: Not as a direct attack.
- [22:58] Marrin: Well, for one, tthe universe as we know it still exists.
- [22:59] Falerin: Consider the fact that from our perspective it would appear as If he made an attack in the past and the future
- [22:59] Lkeas: in this time, yes.
- [22:59] Falerin: and untill the whole thing reconciled and sorted itself out
- [22:59] Falerin: thats exactly how it would appear
- [22:59] Falerin: untill there was nothing left
- [22:59] Marrin: Frankly, such an attack would tear the fabric of space time, would it not
- [23:00] Falerin: Very likely... but the devourer has never been one to care about creating rifts where there are none
- [23:00] Lkeas: but marrin, by even imagining the devourer "dividing" and attacking "at once" you are placing him within a realm of time
- [23:00] Falerin: However I do think it would be inefficent
- [23:00] Lkeas: not necessarily our time, but time nonetheless
- [23:00] Falerin: If he wishes to consume these worlds to feed his emense hunger and power needs
- [23:00] Marrin: Yes, but if lore is his origin, would he not care to be energy efficient?
- [23:00] Falerin: Just breaking the world in to chunks and imploding its time stream does not do it
- [23:00] Genoclysm: He wouldn't have to make multiple trips if he attacked all the useful times at once.
- [23:01] Marrin: Then that in itself would change the 'useful times'
- [23:01] Falerin: Aye but that would appear to us exactly the same as if he came back many seperate times
- [23:01] Lkeas: right
- [23:01] Falerin: From the receiving end it would not be any different
- [23:01] Marrin: The object of my idea is to tear spacetime, thus, in itself, introducing mass chaos before simply vanishing
- [23:01] Lkeas: there is no "at once" outside of time
- [23:01] Falerin: So its a distinction... without difference
- [23:01] Lkeas: either he does, or he does not
- [23:02] Marrin: Even to pull off such an effect he would have to exist outside of time while in lore... and as falerin said, thats impossible.
- [23:02] Genoclysm: Didn't you say you knew when the time to stop him was?
- [23:02] Falerin: What makes you believe the Devourer is a creature of Chaos... he instills fear and chaos in communities
- [23:02] Falerin: but in general to me his behavior seems quite orderly
- [23:02] Falerin: Very diabolic
- [23:02] Falerin: and very very planned and meticulous
- [23:03] Lkeas: well, he did say in our argument that it would not be done "tomorrow," if i remember correctly :)
- [23:03] Falerin: If nothing else I think that doing it your way would offend his sense of style
- [23:03] Falerin: and its quite obvious he as vain as they come
- [23:03] Genoclysm: Falerin, is the time to stop him this "coming"?
- [23:03] Marrin: Probably, Falerin.
- [23:04] Marrin: I could see him wearing purple velvet *sighs*
- [23:04] Falerin: I would smack him
- [23:04] Falerin: he dare not ruin it for me
- [23:04] BaneOfTheUnborn: Lol.
- [23:04] Lkeas: lol
- [23:04] Genoclysm: Ruin what for you?
- [23:04] Marrin: *chuckles*
- [23:04] Marrin: purple velvet, of course.
- [23:04] Falerin: The glory that is purple Velvet
- [23:04] BaneOfTheUnborn: I am keeping that.
- [23:04] Genoclysm: lol
- [23:05] Falerin: of course I could always go with Chenille instead
- [23:05] Falerin: Chenille is quite lovely
- [23:05] Falerin: but its not very durable
- [23:05] Lkeas: ((OOC - falerin might you check your PM?))
- [23:05] Genoclysm: Anyways, could you tell us when the time to make a stand against him should be?
- [23:06] Falerin: It would be unwise to ascribe to me omniscience. Prescience and multiscience yes.. Omniscience no....
- [23:06] Falerin: The time will be at once soon and prolonged
- [23:06] Falerin: He will make a grand procession of it to be sure...
- [23:06] Lkeas: meaning something will happen in the near future but it will not be the end of the story? ;)
- [23:06] Falerin: And there will be wars and floods and portents in the sky
- [23:07] Falerin: and it will drag on and on for ages
- [23:07] Lkeas: yay!
- [23:07] Falerin: here is where I am supposed to give you the Eschaton
- [23:07] Lkeas: i love a neverending story
- [23:07] Falerin: But... I fear I do not know... for sure
- [23:07] Marrin: The end of everything?
- [23:07] Genoclysm: What is the Eschaton?
- [23:08] Marrin: The end of everything, geno.
- [23:08] Falerin: It is a philosophy related to the end of all things
- [23:08] Falerin: Though not neccesarily the destruction of all things
- [23:08] Falerin: which I am sure is mindboggling to a non theologian
- [23:08] Genoclysm: So you are instucted to instuct us of the end?
- [23:08] Lkeas: heh
- [23:08] Falerin: It can apply to a stage
- [23:08] Genoclysm: instruct*
- [23:08] Falerin: and this stage may end like the last or end very differently indeed
- [23:09] Marrin: Falerin... why did the devourer leave the first time he attacked lore?
- [23:09] Falerin: the last time The'galin turned his attention to other locales and let LORE go
- [23:09] Falerin: Why... is not recorded...
- [23:09] Falerin: but it was most certainly a willfull decision
- [23:09] Genoclysm: Why did the Drakel survive exactly?
- [23:09] BaneOfTheUnborn: I think that he attacked LORE originally not to destroy it, but merely to get Lorithia's attention.
- [23:09] Genoclysm: Did he ignore them?
- [23:09] Falerin: You might try asking them....
- [23:10] Falerin: No he most certainly did not...
- [23:10] Genoclysm: I'd like to, but how can I ask them?
- [23:10] Falerin: In fact he went right after the Silari
- [23:10] Marrin: That makes sense... Bane... almost.
- [23:10] Marrin: To get Lorithias attention... isnt that what his actions are all about...
- [23:10] Falerin: Some have ascribed a more sinister motive
- [23:10] BaneOfTheUnborn: If he destroys from a desire to be center of her attention.
- [23:10] Falerin: He wants the world to rebuild and redestroy
- [23:11] Lkeas: a renewable resource?
- [23:11] Lkeas: yeah... humans seem to have a problem with that concept.
- [23:11] Genoclysm: Maybe he wants her to hate this world.
- [23:11] Falerin: He wants to do this on purpose.. becuase it expands its power AND it prolongs the worlds agony and the miscontent he creates
- [23:11] Falerin: And that ultimately he will destroy all places in this universe before finally attacking completely finishing LORE
- [23:12] Falerin: but since he does suffer setbacks....
- [23:12] Falerin: but this is blind theorizing
- [23:12] Falerin: None save The'galin knows how and why The'galin thinks and acts
- [23:12] Genoclysm: Is there a way we can cause a set-back?
- [23:12] Falerin: As for the Drakel they hid
- [23:13] Falerin: They used their technology to defend their positions
- [23:13] Falerin: Their numbers were relatively small
- [23:13] Falerin: and actually composed of several cousin races
- [23:13] BaneOfTheUnborn: I thought they used magic that stemmed from all elements.
- [23:13] Genoclysm: Could he not smash their defences?
- [23:13] Falerin: Which he probably did not realize were all interfertile
- [23:13] Falerin: Before the first coming of the Devourer
- [23:14] Genoclysm: Ah, he overlooked them?
- [23:14] Falerin: The Drakel employed Elemental magic like everyone else
- [23:14] Falerin: Its easy to miss an ant when your target is a mountain Genoclysm
- [23:14] Falerin: Though he may have done it on purpose too
- [23:14] Falerin: To allow the world to renew
- [23:14] Genoclysm: Is there a magic beyond the elements that we could use against him, to slow him down at least?
- [23:15] Falerin: The reason most Drakel are unificationists now is the realized what The'galin did.. he had tought people that the elements were antithtical and enemy forces.. so they no longer cooperated at all and they warred against each other
- [23:16] Falerin: In Drakel society therefore it is absolutely forbidden to take up the banner of a Deity
- [23:16] BaneOfTheUnborn: Ah, now I understand.
- [23:16] Lkeas: hmm. that sounds like clan wars.
- [23:16] Falerin: Even the Creator is shunned
- [23:16] Genoclysm: Why would they shun the Creator?
- [23:16] Falerin: Though to be fair few ever took up service to the creator
- [23:16] Falerin: As hers was a more subtle power and force
- [23:17] Falerin: And people like big guns
- [23:17] Falerin: They shunned the creator because they believed aligning yourself to any ONE entity was wrong
- [23:17] Lkeas: and swords and axes
- [23:17] Falerin: and that every being should serve the whole of the order...
- [23:17] Falerin: Some though this was good in principle but not in extreme
- [23:17] Genoclysm: Is she employing ways to counter act him?
- [23:18] Falerin: And that they should not force people to give up old faith
- [23:18] Falerin: These became the roots of the De'me'thar
- [23:18] Falerin: And others still became servants of the Elemental lords anyway
- [23:18] Falerin: And were cast out entirely
- [23:18] BaneOfTheUnborn: The exiles that chose allegience, primarly water.
- [23:19] Falerin: A large number seem to have gone to water but there are fair number of fire casters too... the others are much scarcer I know not why
- [23:19] Falerin: Perhaps because the water was so key to some of the original Desert drakel species that they clung to it
- [23:19] Genoclysm: And being reprilian made them want protection from ice?
- [23:20] Falerin: Well if you look closely some of the drakel have fur too
- [23:20] Genoclysm: Really?!
- [23:20] Falerin: So they are actually a sort of midpoint
- [23:20] Falerin: Mamalian Draconian
- [23:20] BaneOfTheUnborn: I think it states that the first drakel to chose an element, chose water because it is obviously a necessity for life.
- [23:21] Falerin: That would definitely be the logic a desert drakel would use
- [23:21] Falerin: Anyway the only servitor of all elements that was really sucessfull was the T'palo of Deren
- [23:22] BaneOfTheUnborn: Tralin.
- [23:22] Falerin: And in the end he became a communicant of a lord anyway
- [23:22] Falerin: in DIRECT violation of tradition
- [23:22] Lkeas: any relation to T'pau?
- [23:22] * Lkeas snickers
- [23:22] Falerin: aye Tralin
- [23:22] Lkeas: sorry
- [23:23] Falerin: ((If you check timestamps you will discover my term is older XD))
- [23:25] Falerin: Older then T'Pol too
- [23:25] Falerin: Now...
- [23:25] Falerin: moving along
- [23:25] Damsel: Falerin, I have been searching for messages which your words might conceal, but the methods employed can be many and varied/
- [23:26] Damsel: Could you help enlighten all of us as to what to watch for?
- [23:26] Falerin: While encourage you to seek for such hidden messages and that they may exist....my first advice to you is to try literalism first
- [23:26] Damsel: Well certainly
- [23:27] Falerin: Often times symbolism is invented by people after the fact to explain thing in a new way that seems profound to them
- [23:27] Falerin: I infact may be enigmatic at times but I almost never speak in riddles
- [23:27] Falerin: I may speak in a way that leads the witness...
- [23:27] Falerin: but not in riddles
- [23:28] Damsel: I understand
- [23:28] Lkeas: thank goodness, the last thing we need is another truth or maxwell :)
- [23:28] Falerin: As for hidden messages they abound elsewhere for those who know how to see.. Certainly if I write somehting down to be read... then it may contain clues
- [23:28] Damsel: But do you ever speak in such a way that certain words or letters may fall in positions to lead interpritation of them?
- [23:29] Falerin: Some hidden and some quite obvious to those who practice looking
- [23:29] Falerin: I do not speak in acrostics... IRC is not a monotyped medium so its a failing effort.
- [23:30] Damsel: Not here, perhaps, but in your library tales?
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- [23:30] Falerin: I may INDEED write in acrostics... but nothing in the histories is written in that manner
- [23:30] Genoclysm: Any chance you can give us a clearer idea of how to contact The White Rabbit than we already know?
- [23:30] Falerin: for the histories are histories not mysteries
- [23:31] Damsel: I see
- [23:32] Falerin: Which is not to say there is not meaning hidden to be extracted
- [23:32] Falerin: as marrin can verify those histories are a key to understanding much that is occuring
- [23:33] Damsel: Yes, I have gathered much simply by taking the history at face value, as it were
- [23:33] Genoclysm: Do you know of a way our... "avatars" can do some soul searching in Lore?
- [23:35] Marrin: *has a hurting head atm*
- [23:35] * BaneOfTheUnborn hands Marrin some medicine.
- [23:36] Marrin: that isnt gonna help
- [23:36] Genoclysm: Falerin, in your opinion, should we focus on combating the forces of The'Galin, or focus on defending ourselves from him?
- [23:36] Falerin: The results of extreme philosophy?
- [23:36] Falerin: Thats what you get when you request TMO
- [23:37] * Damsel lets out a short chuckle.
- [23:37] Lkeas: TMO? is that related to TMI?
- [23:37] Falerin: or TMI in general as the case may be
- [23:37] Falerin: Yes...
- [23:37] Lkeas: lol
- [23:37] Lkeas: ok
- [23:37] Falerin: it means too much at once
- [23:37] Lkeas: alright well, i'm signing off for the night
- [23:37] Falerin: Its like TMI but it implies that if it were more spaced out it would no be tmi
- [23:37] Genoclysm: bye Lkeas.
- [23:37] Falerin: xD
- [23:38] Falerin: I am departing too fellows....
- [23:38] Genoclysm: Good night Falerin.
- [23:38] Lkeas: thank you for the history
- [23:38] Marrin: Sleep well...
- [23:38] Genoclysm: Thank you for your stories.
- [23:38] Lkeas: it was well told
- [23:38] Marrin: *will probably be studying all night
- [23:38] BaneOfTheUnborn: Later.
- [23:38] Falerin: I am glad to help but do not place too much stock in my past... I am a simple sojourner. A seeker of the truth. A deflector of lies and the source of the answer.
- [23:39] BaneOfTheUnborn: ?!
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