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| - | + | Welcome back! Long time no see! -- [[User: Teejay|Teejay]] | |
| - | + | == Young woman vs. girl == | |
| - | [[ | + | While I can't speak for Platypus, other pages he has 'fixed' still use the term 'girl', like [[Dick the teen and pump more juice into her]] and [[Fuck the teen's virgin pussy]]. There's even stuff like [[Ask Alexis for a blowjob]] which feels like it's just kissing the edge of RobKohr's commandment. Seems like the rule (in practice) is that so long as specific ages or age ranges are not mentioned, everything's good. I think Rob was probably just trying to avoid something like the Red Rose Stories obscenity case (see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_obscenity_law#Obscene_texts). Not sure if that was the particular case he was looking at (since it was a decade old when Rob added the rule) or if he just got paranoid (because 2015 was a weird time to start censoring content. I mean, did something relevant happen that year?). |
| - | + | It feels strange to be considering the legal consequences of a fictional woman's age (Ma'am, I'll need to see your fictional ID before you can enter this fictional bar. You ''left it at home''? Likely story). | |
| - | + | --[[User:Pickles|Pickles]] ([[User talk:Pickles|Talk]]) 19:11, 6 August 2020 (UTC) | |
| - | + | : Thanks for the information. I don't know what caused the censorship either - maybe it was just a better late than never response. I agree that as long as it's established that the character isn't underage, there shouldn't be any problems. | |
| + | : I'm of the opinion that there shouldn't be any censorship because this is all fiction. It's like having an adult actress play an underage character - it's all a performance. Similar thing with cartoons or comics depicting this material; the artists get away with it because it's not real. But while I agree that it's strange to be taking this into consideration and disagree with the censorship, I don't mind being better safe than sorry. | ||
| - | + | : What I find funny about the scenario I referenced is while the preteen was changed to become a 19-year-old, nothing else changed. This includes the character still not having developed breasts and wearing a padded bra. It's even twice mentioned now on [[Blue diamond-shaped pills]] and [[Strip the pigtailed teen]] that she might be lying about being 19. Her first appearance in [[Flee out the nearest window]] says only "maybe" she's a woman. And this can't be changed because the point of the [[Pink lozenges]] scenario is she starts developing breasts. But I think the scenario path I was talking to Platypus about makes more sense with a 19-year-old because her level of profanity feels out of place with a preteen. [[User:AgentVincent|AgentVincent]] 20:47, 6 August 2020 (UTC) | |
| - | + | ''Something'' must have happened, because RobKohr hit the panic button very hard, and quite abruptly. I don't know what that something might have been, but his concerns are the site's concerns. Does it seems foolish? Not to the judicial system, it doesn't. If the courts are going to be serious about these things, then we'd better be serious too. | |
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| + | That being said, is it necessary to change 'girl' to 'young woman'? Strictly speaking, no, but 'young woman' does make it clearer for people using the 'random page' button that the character in question is of age, even if she's described as being physically under-developed. Has 'girl' been changed to 'young woman' in a consistent fashion? No. The up-aging of characters has been done in a piecemeal, sporadic fashion. Smutty Sex Romp and Rampage are huge, sprawling stories. I wouldn't be surprised if there are still threads left with underage characters. --[[User:Platypus|Platypus]] 21:35, 6 August 2020 (UTC) | ||
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| + | : I fully support the decision to remove underage content, which is why I'm not restoring any "preteen" references since that explicitly establishes her as underage. And I understand why "young woman" makes it clearer that the character isn't underage. Still, I feel as long as we avoid explicit references to characters being underage and explicitly establish these characters as legal age, more ambiguous phrases aren't a factor. "Young woman" has and can be used in reference to underage females and "girl" is often used in reference to females over 18. We're still in the legal right - anyone who doubts the character's age can scroll back to where the age is established and the judicial system has no case against us. You are correct that there are still threads left with underage characters and not even with those stories - [[Hot and Horny]] hasn't removed all reference of Miranda being 6. That's the biggest issue. When it comes to "girl" vs. "young woman", I just find that "girl" sounds better with the tone because like I mentioned, "young woman" seems too formal. [[User:AgentVincent|AgentVincent]] 22:27, 6 August 2020 (UTC) | ||
Current revision as of 22:27, 6 August 2020
Welcome back! Long time no see! -- Teejay
Young woman vs. girl
While I can't speak for Platypus, other pages he has 'fixed' still use the term 'girl', like Dick the teen and pump more juice into her and Fuck the teen's virgin pussy. There's even stuff like Ask Alexis for a blowjob which feels like it's just kissing the edge of RobKohr's commandment. Seems like the rule (in practice) is that so long as specific ages or age ranges are not mentioned, everything's good. I think Rob was probably just trying to avoid something like the Red Rose Stories obscenity case (see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_obscenity_law#Obscene_texts). Not sure if that was the particular case he was looking at (since it was a decade old when Rob added the rule) or if he just got paranoid (because 2015 was a weird time to start censoring content. I mean, did something relevant happen that year?).
It feels strange to be considering the legal consequences of a fictional woman's age (Ma'am, I'll need to see your fictional ID before you can enter this fictional bar. You left it at home? Likely story).
--Pickles (Talk) 19:11, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks for the information. I don't know what caused the censorship either - maybe it was just a better late than never response. I agree that as long as it's established that the character isn't underage, there shouldn't be any problems.
- I'm of the opinion that there shouldn't be any censorship because this is all fiction. It's like having an adult actress play an underage character - it's all a performance. Similar thing with cartoons or comics depicting this material; the artists get away with it because it's not real. But while I agree that it's strange to be taking this into consideration and disagree with the censorship, I don't mind being better safe than sorry.
- What I find funny about the scenario I referenced is while the preteen was changed to become a 19-year-old, nothing else changed. This includes the character still not having developed breasts and wearing a padded bra. It's even twice mentioned now on Blue diamond-shaped pills and Strip the pigtailed teen that she might be lying about being 19. Her first appearance in Flee out the nearest window says only "maybe" she's a woman. And this can't be changed because the point of the Pink lozenges scenario is she starts developing breasts. But I think the scenario path I was talking to Platypus about makes more sense with a 19-year-old because her level of profanity feels out of place with a preteen. AgentVincent 20:47, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
Something must have happened, because RobKohr hit the panic button very hard, and quite abruptly. I don't know what that something might have been, but his concerns are the site's concerns. Does it seems foolish? Not to the judicial system, it doesn't. If the courts are going to be serious about these things, then we'd better be serious too.
That being said, is it necessary to change 'girl' to 'young woman'? Strictly speaking, no, but 'young woman' does make it clearer for people using the 'random page' button that the character in question is of age, even if she's described as being physically under-developed. Has 'girl' been changed to 'young woman' in a consistent fashion? No. The up-aging of characters has been done in a piecemeal, sporadic fashion. Smutty Sex Romp and Rampage are huge, sprawling stories. I wouldn't be surprised if there are still threads left with underage characters. --Platypus 21:35, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
- I fully support the decision to remove underage content, which is why I'm not restoring any "preteen" references since that explicitly establishes her as underage. And I understand why "young woman" makes it clearer that the character isn't underage. Still, I feel as long as we avoid explicit references to characters being underage and explicitly establish these characters as legal age, more ambiguous phrases aren't a factor. "Young woman" has and can be used in reference to underage females and "girl" is often used in reference to females over 18. We're still in the legal right - anyone who doubts the character's age can scroll back to where the age is established and the judicial system has no case against us. You are correct that there are still threads left with underage characters and not even with those stories - Hot and Horny hasn't removed all reference of Miranda being 6. That's the biggest issue. When it comes to "girl" vs. "young woman", I just find that "girl" sounds better with the tone because like I mentioned, "young woman" seems too formal. AgentVincent 22:27, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
