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I was wondering if [edit]this.info allows multi-language wikis, a bit like wikipedia? -- Alex

So far as I know, you can write your wiki in any language you please. MediaWiki handles most special characters (such as "ß" or "ñ") easily; I don't know what will happen, though, if you try double-byte text.
Note that if you go this way, you may want to change the text of all the MediaWiki messages -- such as the text of buttons and links. Come to think of it, you may want to customize these anyway. These messages are stored in a couple hundred pages in the MediaWiki namespace on your wiki. Most are just a word or two. Be careful; careless editing can induce unexpected behaviors.
There's been more interest in wikis in other languages. It's quite a job to customize every link, every button, every bit of text so that it all conforms to another language -- but it's entirely possible. If there's any more interest in the subject, I may set up a workshop. Bear 21:06, 30 July 2006 (EDT)
If you are logged in and go in your user preferences, you can change the language and that runs perfectly. The only problem is, that you cannot make a standart language. -- 84.138.130.105 17:11, 31 July 2006 (EDT)
Actually -- and unfortunately -- languages set in user prefs don't work as well as one might wish [1]. The biggest hurdle to language customization -- to any customization of a MediaWiki install -- is that the tool was written specifically to drive Wikipedia and that project, first, in English. Other languages and projects were added later and the code often modified on a per-install basis and at a level below ordinary admin access. Although MediaWiki is distributed freely, Wikimedia Foundation does not make any particular effort to package the tool for general use. We get it "hair and all".
For a blatant example of this single-use-tool development viewpoint, set your skin to Cologne Blue. You'll notice that the default subtitle of every MediaWiki wiki is "The Free Encyclopedia". This system message is stored in MediaWiki:Sitesubtitle; since it's not displayed at all to anon users and others who stick with the default Monobook skin, most admins never change it.
I'm not sure what you think would qualify as a "standard" language. You can set your own preferences to any language and you can (if you're an admin) edit all the system messages for that language; these control the user interface. Further, you can choose to edit pages in just about any language desired. But you can't force visiting users to agree with you -- neither in their choice of interface language nor in how they choose to express themselves. Bear 13:54, 1 August 2006 (EDT)
I'd like to agree with 84.138.130.105. There should be a way to change language for non-signed-in-users to something else. How_to_administrate_your_wiki#How_to_set_the_default_language_for_non-sign-in-users.3F Jan 08:27, 8 August 2006 (EDT)
Well, since you asked, I did a little research; there isn't any obvious way to do it. But isn't this a solution in search of a problem? What does it matter? When a user creates an account and logs in, he can choose any interface language he likes. I don't see that it's helpful to steer him one way or another. If your wiki, say, is all in French, then mostly people who read and write French will go there -- and they will set their prefs to French, as well.
Maybe I'm missing something. Bear 15:27, 8 August 2006 (EDT)
My wiki is the website for a 80 person student dorm. Last semester the static webpage got outdated regularly, and I guess the forum we had wasn't used that often, for one due to not all having internet access and - I guess - due to the problem of having to register.
Registering users with this wiki is much easier, but I even this might stop some of them from using the page. So I guess there'll be several people regularly not being logged-in. (Including myself as the cookie seems to get overwritten, when I use the same username on different wikis in this farm.) Anyways, we've got more people with internet account here now, but I still fear that the more effort it is the less people will use it. There's not much to do, but I want the sportsmentor to update the sports page with current events, and the gamingmentor should do the gamingsite.
Thanks a lot for your effort anyhow. 81.173.252.118 03:17, 9 August 2006 (EDT) ... see there it happened again, I've last been locked in with another wiki, so I hadn't been logged in. Jan 03:19, 9 August 2006 (EDT)


I've managed to set global preference defaults for non-registered guests --Windward 22:30, 15 September 2006 (EDT)

Was struggling with the math rendering with all sorts of errors and wanted to have guests see formula's using TeX rather than enforce a registered logon so they could change their math rendering preference themselves. I was not crazy about editing language.php, but changed this line as follows to make TeX the default renderer for anyone coming to the site.

/* private */ $wgDefaultUserOptionsEn = array( 'math' => $wgMathNamesEn = MW_MATH_SOURCE,

As this method worked for this preference item, it might work for others. Just look through language.php and it should tell you how to express your edit.


Workaround

You're trying to set default preferences for anon users. I don't know how to do this but I can show you a workaround.
Make your Main Page into a redirect to Special:Login by blanking it and setting it to this exact text:
#redirect[[Special:Login]]
Copy that from this rendered page, not from wiki markup source. The hash mark should be the first character on the page.
Now, create a dummy account -- say, User:Anybody -- and set its prefs however you like. Make the name short and the password simple. You might even try a blank password; I don't know if you can.
Edit MediaWiki:Loginprompt. You must have admin access to edit this protected page. The default text is:
You must have cookies enabled to log in to...
Change or add to this the "anybody" login/pass and perhaps a short explanation. Note that if you allow any user to use this account, eventually every computer that your users regularly use will be logged in this way -- and stay that way, at least until the login times out.
For the finishing touch, make MediaWiki:Loginsuccess into a redirect to your new Real Main Page.
I do not guarantee this will all work here on editthis.info; besides the issues raised here, there is currently a general bug involving logins. But this should steer users into a default account which you can set up however you like. Of course, so can any of your "anybody" users.... Bear 14:04, 17 August 2006 (EDT)
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